Starcitygames Boston Update Thread

[herbig]

When I write a tournament report up

[Midknight]

Colby tends to change stories around and/or leave stuff out. He never said nothing to me, about his play mistakes, it was a short phone call, but seem like he was trying to hide it. He told me that you guys, agree to split, because you told him you would split the prize. He also told a bunch of us guys, at the local card shop, when he was in college, down in Georgia, that he won a ton of power down there. To this day, I havn't seen a single article about it. I know for sure, if he did win all this power, he would have wrote articles on it, like he does with everything. Its a big mystery. I would have so much more respect for him, if he would stop hiding play mistakes and so forth. He is a really smart guy, theres no reason for him, to try to make himself look better than he is. We are all human after all, and no one is perfect.

[herbig]

Holy commas!  He's a cocky guy no doubt but I like him.  Who isn't cocky in vintage?

[M.Solymossy]

*Raises hand*  I'm Not!





(I'm lying out of my arse)

[Evenpence]

Colby tends to change stories around and/or leave stuff out. He never said nothing to me, about his play mistakes, it was a short phone call, but seem like he was trying to hide it. He told me that you guys, agree to split, because you told him you would split the prize. He also told a bunch of us guys, at the local card shop, when he was in college, down in Georgia, that he won a ton of power down there. To this day, I havn't seen a single article about it. I know for sure, if he did win all this power, he would have wrote articles on it, like he does with everything. Its a big mystery. I would have so much more respect for him, if he would stop hiding play mistakes and so forth. He is a really smart guy, theres no reason for him, to try to make himself look better than he is. We are all human after all, and no one is perfect.

Mike, it was a 30 second phone call.  We were leaving from the venue to get in the car and I was tired.  I didn't win a 'ton of power,' and I haven't been posting on the Drain for more than 8 months, where three of them have been absent from a computer.  I mean, I can verify the freaking wins if you want to call me a liar - why haven't you asked me about this before?

I would have so much more respect for you if you would stop holding grudges against people.

I don't know what you're trying to accomplish by posting this.  Maybe to make me angry, I'm not really sure.  I also have no idea why you don't just come to me for personal issues instead of throwing crap all over the internet if your problems relate specifically to me.  Trying to purposefully tear down my reputation (which I don't have much of at all anyway in the first place) is just hardcore nasty.

You could have brought this up in person when I saw you tonight, but instead, you chose to hide behind your computer.  We're going to have a talk when I see you again.

Will this report include details of a savage raping by one Michael James Herbig?

Yeah.  It might be a while until I write it - I have alot going on, but you'll definitely be in there Herbig. 

Holy commas!  He's a cocky guy no doubt but I like him.  Who isn't cocky in vintage?

I like you too Herbig.  BTW, next SCG event or whatever, we'll have to get together and go 21ing.  Are you of age?

[EotGiftsGG?]

so SCG boston is over, and there were a couple of things ive never seen before.

1) stax winning?

2) me losing in the top 8 due to time infringements? Everyone there late saturday night heard me yell due to "time limit" in the top 8. The Situation:

Its Game three and my oppenent has a necro on the table, a full hand and is at one. I have like eight mana on the table but only a single black source.Recoup in yard along with a couple merchant scrolls, and its my turn. I draw DT. So I Think for about a minute and half to two minutes about whether to tak my chances and scroll up a drain and hope he doesnt have two threats or attempt to dt and win the game, presuming he doesnt have misdirection in hand. So after two minutes, i go for the DT. I arrange a plethora of options some being - ancestral,tinker,timewalk,tendrils,drain, etc..
The judge informs me that i have 15 seconds to search or i "fail to find". I quickly take time walk. figuring i have three turns to just "draw" anything. I end up losing, after figuring out that lotus would have won the game for me. SIgh

[Mr. Nightmare]

While that Judge call was BS (and you should still complain to SCG if you haven't yet), I think my reaction would have been to inform the Judge that it's impossible to "fail to find" with Demonic Tutor, and if he knew anything about Vintage (which he didn't) he would know that (which he didn't).

[T00L]

The judging was definitely subpar that weekend but I guess thats type 1 for you

[v4ino]

so SCG boston is over, and there were a couple of things ive never seen before.

1) stax winning?

2) me losing in the top 8 due to time infringements? Everyone there late saturday night heard me yell due to "time limit" in the top 8. The Situation:

Its Game three and my oppenent has a necro on the table, a full hand and is at one. I have like eight mana on the table but only a single black source.Recoup in yard along with a couple merchant scrolls, and its my turn. I draw DT. So I Think for about a minute and half to two minutes about whether to tak my chances and scroll up a drain and hope he doesnt have two threats or attempt to dt and win the game, presuming he doesnt have misdirection in hand. So after two minutes, i go for the DT. I arrange a plethora of options some being - ancestral,tinker,timewalk,tendrils,drain, etc..
The judge informs me that i have 15 seconds to search or i "fail to find". I quickly take time walk. figuring i have three turns to just "draw" anything. I end up losing, after figuring out that lotus would have won the game for me. SIgh

Jigly,

I was your opponent in the round of eight and while I agree that the call was bull-crap I don't see how you would of won considering the game state - you didn't have as much mana as you though, you were more than 1 mana short to DT for the Lotus, recoupe the DT and Tendrils. It's a 9 mana play 2 DT + 4 Recoupe + 2 DT + 4 Tendrils - 3 BLK Lotus.

Peace,
Vin

[Chiz]

This is from Simon Mcmae's tournament report. I'm curious in absolute seriousness how weed improved or skewered your judgment and your deck building. Did marijuana inspire you to play a very unique deck? And did it help you perform?

I must say Erayo was savage and singlehandedly won a game against me. How did Cabal Therapy work out? Not so well I presume? What were the Kami's+Ronom Unicorns for? Oath was that present or you feared Threads Of Disloyalty hype?

Well, Macrae don't come to this board (I think...), so I will anwser, from the best I can...

First of all, Bob-Herman isn't a unique deck... It's played here (in the province of Quebec) from 2 to 5 players in a 40-50 players tourney... And Bob-Herman was played at the last Rochester by 2 Quebekers (1 missing top8 loosing the last two rounds (From play errors...)). It's not because it's not in your meta that the deck is unique, here it is known (maybe not fully understood, but known...)

MacRae said in his report that Therapy was the worst card in the deck (Which I don't totaly agree from my little playtest)... He side those out a lot, so he tried something else day2. He said that Erayo was still the worst card in the deck, that he sided out a lot, depending of the matchup.

Kami and Unicorn was for Oath.
As for Weed... Well... I don't know if that change anything... But anyway, it's not my thing...

[Cross]

As far as people saying the judging was subpar I've got to disagree.

Nate's case aside I saw a lot of good judging going on.

Ex 1 - Day 2 there was a question about oath creature count and triggers of oath in Mike Pise' match, this was a big one where everyone thought the judge was wrong but he was making the right call. It had to do with with two oaths on the table, and responding to the second one with orchard so that you can get another creature. This call is really complicated, especially if one play does not understand what's happening.

Ex 2 - The Evenpence match with both players forgetting uba mask. I have never seen this called correctly in a tournament and it was here.

Some people were frustrated with the slow play calls, but I think it's to the judges disgression, as they are trying to get everyone out at a reasonable time.

One of the judge's had an accent so he was hard to understand, but that didn't effect the judging.

The head judge also helped me after the swiss, as my car had been towed some time during event (even after repeatedly checking to make sure it wasn't being towed) which was huge, as I would have been completely lost on what to do otherwise.

[SMac]

I must say Erayo was savage and singlehandedly won a game against me. How did Cabal Therapy work out? Not so well I presume? What were the Kami's+Ronom Unicorns for? Oath was that present or you feared Threads Of Disloyalty hype?

As Chiz pointed out earlier, I firmly believe that Therapy was the worst card of the deck day 1, I boarded them out in all but 2 matches, and I had wanted to try erayo's in the deck so i decided to swap them day 2. Erayo's were pretty good, very easily flippable. I generally kept them in versus control, but they were also sided out pretty often.

The Oath matchup game 1 is allright, but maindeck null rods hurt. Aether spellbomb doesnt disrupt them game 2 though, because of Simic Sky Swallower, so you need to hate the oaths themselves.

And finally, the deck should definatly be named BoBerman and not Bob-Herman because that just sounds retarded.

[seer]

Ex 1 - Day 2 there was a question about oath creature count and triggers of oath in Mike Pise' match, this was a big one where everyone thought the judge was wrong but he was making the right call. It had to do with with two oaths on the table, and responding to the second one with orchard so that you can get another creature. This call is really complicated, especially if one play does not understand what's happening.

I would expect any level1 judge to call this one properly. All it demonstrates is a working knowledge of triggers and the stack.

[Evenpence]

Ex 2 - The Evenpence match with both players forgetting uba mask. I have never seen this called correctly in a tournament and it was here.

I thought the call was probably called correctly also, although I honestly don't know how these things should go down, because I've never had a problem with Uba Mask in the past, but had a problem with it FOUR times this tournament.  It took a long time, and surely my opponent can't complain.  I'm glad he didn't get a game loss, because I would NEVER hear the end of calls of me trying to "Rules Lawyer" people.

The four were:

1)  One of my opponents drew a card off Uba Mask after I warned him not to, but he put it right into his hand, didn't shuffle around his hand, and I kept my eyes on the card for the most part, so we were able to agree that he drew a Mox Jet, and it was no big deal.
2)  The incident with the Slaver player.  I'm not even going to touch this one with a ten foot pole right now.
3)  I was given a game loss after _I_ had drawn a Bazaar with the Uba Mask in game 1 against Herbig when I had him locked out of the game.

Note on point no. 3:

I was pretty distraught about the last match, so even though I was in a clear winning position.

Herbig did NOT call a judge - the judge was BEHIND me, and clearly saw that I drew a Bazaar.  Moreover, after he had reminded me about Uba Mask, I played it (bazaar), tapped it, RFGed two cards, discarded the welder in my hand (the only card) and began to play the Crucible and other Uba Mask that I had revealed.  I had like 15+ permanents, Herbig had 4 perms (one of them a tapped mana vault) and 2 cards in hand, while I had a Smokestack (1 counter), Tangle Wire (3 counters), and Chalice for 0 and 1 out, in addition to other goodies.

I was told that my warnings would be upgraded to a Game Loss, when my 'warnings' were simply cautions, and were because of my OPPONENT'S overlooking Uba Mask!  None of them were even deliberate.

I could have appealed the ruling, but chose not to, as the Uba Mask ruling with the Slaver player was the round before, and I didn't want to look like a savage cheater or anything to anyone who wasn't aware of the gamestate and heard that judges were coming over to me again about an Uba Mask.

You guys can ask Herbig about this to verify the gamestate.  I obviously wouldn't cheat when I have such a crazy advantage.

I lose to Herbig, but go on to win my next few matches, then I find out I have to play Joe Davis to get into the T8, who is a great guy I rode up with.

4)  In Game 3 with Joe Davis, I am so unbelievably frustrated that we have to play each other, and I'm super-angry at the situation because we didn't work out a split before-hand and have to play or try to secretly work out a prize split under the judges' noses.  I don't get a clear signal from him, and decide it's probably best to play it out, but I draw a super-busted hand (2x Chalice, 2x Welder, 2x Barbarian Ring, Mana Crypt).  I was at a clear advantage with Chalice @ 0, and an Uba Mask down with Joe having two permanents and 3 cards in his hand (all 0 mana artifacts, I believe he told me), with a Chalice @ 2 in my hand which would have resolved (he used double force on two of my welders and revealed force+drain off the Uba Mask), but I drew a card off Uba Mask and conceded, as that was the straw that broke the Evenpence's back, and I was just so angry you wouldn't believe it - not at Joe or the tournament...

...but the whole Uba Mask thing all tournament long it seemed when I've never even had close to a problem before about it.

Oddly enough, I drew that card off Uba Mask when I had a single card in my hand (the Chalice - I drew a Wasteland and was considering playing it this turn in case I drew Bazaar next turn, or holding it in case he topdecked a nonbasic when he informed me that I had drawn a card off Uba Mask, but he didn't catch it either - I should really be more cautious of drawing cards with Uba Mask out when I'm at one card in hand, apparently).

Had I not been given a game loss in Game 1 against Herbig, I would have still conceded the game to Joe Davis when I drew a card off Uba Mask (again in a clearly advantageous position to me).  Had we worked out a split beforehand, I would have easily conceded to Joe without any games, as I was obviously trying VERY hard to "secretly" split.

The conversation was pretty hilarious, looking back on it:

"Hey Joe, don't you wish top 16 got something beside a booster pack?"
Joe shrugs.
"You know, like, HALF A MOX."
Joe shrugs.
"Because if Top 16 got like, HALF A MOX, the matches before the Top 8 would be ALOT QUICKER."

I think that the Uba Mask situations were handled very well - however, I don't think the Game 3 situation where I was upgraded from CAUTIONS to GAME LOSS was necessary.

[Cross]

Ex 1 - Day 2 there was a question about oath creature count and triggers of oath in Mike Pise' match, this was a big one where everyone thought the judge was wrong but he was making the right call. It had to do with with two oaths on the table, and responding to the second one with orchard so that you can get another creature. This call is really complicated, especially if one play does not understand what's happening.

I would expect any level1 judge to call this one properly. All it demonstrates is a working knowledge of triggers and the stack.

Either, there was a lot of pressure here, a lot of people were watching and disagreeing with him. Plus you never know with vintage events, we've had everything from lotus being stifled to time walk misdirected. This call was correct, and all of the calls that I was witnesss to were correct also.

[herbig]

You guys can ask Herbig about this to verify the gamestate.  I obviously wouldn't cheat when I have such a crazy advantage.

As I recall, I was only allowing the sacrifice of my permanents to build threshold and keeping mana vault tapped in case of Pulse of the Fields.  I had anticipated your moves 5 turns in advance and then the judge had to go ahead and ruin my carefully laid plans.

I would also like to point out that in game two a second turn Elvish Spirit Guide brought Colby to 3 life and turned the game into a coin toss by Mana Crypt, which he narrowly escaped.

[Evenpence]

I would also like to point out that in game two a second turn Elvish Spirit Guide brought Colby to 3 life and turned the game into a coin toss by Mana Crypt, which he narrowly escaped.

Dude, I completely forgot about that!  That was nuts!  You are the freaking man, btw for hardcasting ESG for beats.

[Hi-Val]

All the off-topic rules stuff has been moved to the Rules forum.

-HiVal

[Moxlotus]

So I just got the decklists into my hand.  They will be up soon.

EDIT:

If you see any problems, post them in this thread
As always, illegible cards and decks without enough cards will have relentless rats.
There is a shit ton of bomberman.  Holy crap
Threads of Disloyalty is the secret tech that EVERYBODY knew about apparently
Barq's Rootbeer is delicious
Evenpence ran Stax despite saying Fish is amazing and Stax has no chance.  What a shitter
Gifts Control is dead.  Gifts is the king
Holy shit.  Were half of you people drunk while filling out decklists???
People, please look over your decklists CAREFULLY.  Just because you count 60 doesn't mean you have a legal decklist (Alana, you had mana crypt listed twice and 0 mana vault.  Mike Lydon, you wrote Strip Mine twice)

[Dominik]

You're pretty fast, a chunk of the day 1 lists are already up. Thanks for typing them up for us! 

For anyone who wants to see them before they are officially finished, here's a link: SCG Boston Day 1 Lists

[Machinus]

Gifts Control is dead? Someone call my metagame.

[Moxlotus]

Day 2

[wethepeople]

did anyone else notice that there was a Relentless Rats deck running nothing but Rats day1 (literally, nothing, no land or anything) that still manage to get 76th place and another one that came in 107th. wtf happened on that one.

Kowal was playing Phids?

[Moxlotus]

did anyone else notice that there was a Relentless Rats deck running nothing but Rats day1 (literally, nothing, no land or anything) that still manage to get 76th place and another one that came in 107th. wtf happened on that one.

Kowal was playing Phids?

I was not sent those decklists for unknown reason.  When I learn what the decklists were, I will edit them

[wethepeople]

did anyone else notice that there was a Relentless Rats deck running nothing but Rats day1 (literally, nothing, no land or anything) that still manage to get 76th place and another one that came in 107th. wtf happened on that one.

Kowal was playing Phids?

I was not sent those decklists for unknown reason.  When I learn what the decklists were, I will edit them

for a second i thought they actually won a game or two with no land, mana sources, or anything, just a bunch of rats.