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« Reply #330 on: June 11, 2009, 03:09:35 pm » |
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Factory can still be declared as a blocker, then tapped. You never needed to respond to damage on the stack with factory since tapping it before damage is stacked was no more disruptable and dealt an extra point of damage.
I think I disagree, I've seen plenty of plays in Limited where there's stuff to do once damage is on the stack. Giant Growthing a guy after damage goes on can force the other player to decide just how much removal they're willing to burn, especially if they were counting on a trade during combat. I wouldn't think it happens much in Constructed, but it's a legit play and the intricacies of dealing with it are arguably a lot different than dealing with that same Giant Growth before damage.
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« Reply #331 on: June 11, 2009, 08:01:15 pm » |
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Except that Giant Growth comes from hidden information (your hand) while factory's ability is theoretically well known to both players.
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« Reply #332 on: June 12, 2009, 01:29:22 am » |
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I guess if we're strictly talking about a situation involving multiple Factories then there's not a whole lot of difference between pre- and post-11th.
But if the larger issue is the difference in timing tricks with pump effects (or any relevant effects) then there's quite a lot of difference.
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« Reply #333 on: June 12, 2009, 02:24:57 am » |
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Also? Giving Deathtouch guys the ability to assign combat damage however they like while everyone else has to apply it in blocking order is fucking retarded. That's almost as bad as not being able to Wish for exiled cards, as they're no longer removed from the game. Jesus.
The combat system is really shitty now. That's probably not relevant to most Vintage players, but Legacy definitely likes being able to ask "damage on?" and you know Standard has been all about the punch phase for a long, long time.
There's been a handful of itty bitty things I could wrap my head around. I was pissed about the card face until I realized that it didn't do anything to my game. I felt the change in the Legend rule during Kamigawa actually made the game better. Fucking with the rules in this fashion doesn't improve the game at all, they removed an entire piece of it from the issue and by doing so royally fucked a bunch of standard issue shit. Regeneration is stupid(er) now, pretty much every creature that was played because of a relevant ability needs to be re-examined too. Arcbound Ravager, your reign of terror is AT AN END
Suddenly the recent selling of the majority of my collection doesn't register like a painful necessity - more like an irony.
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« Reply #335 on: June 14, 2009, 01:50:31 am » |
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I haven't even seen a bunch of those cards on MTGSalvation yet. I wonder if they did something like this for everyone?Pontiac Parts - Discount Parts - Free Shipping.Shop for Pontiac Grandville Parts from Car Parts Warehouse at wholesale price online. Visit Car Parts Warehouse to buy Pontiac quality replacement car parts
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« Reply #336 on: June 14, 2009, 11:43:14 am » |
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Oh, it matters some; they don't just put the polls up for kicks (though, yeah, a big Vintage showing is unlikely to suddenly change WotC's coverage). I voted anyway.
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« Reply #338 on: June 18, 2009, 09:10:18 am » |
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I think it would be a reasonable uncommon.
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« Reply #339 on: June 18, 2009, 09:25:32 am » |
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With the way NuCombat nerfs all combat tricks and their continued push to strengthen creatures, they must feel they can get away with printing or reprinting stronger instants. Path might have been a step too far for their purposes (I think it's fine, but WotC probably isn't thrilled that it makes Spellbreaker Behemoth unplayable), but Lightning Bolt is probably not a problem.
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« Reply #340 on: June 18, 2009, 11:38:20 am » |
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I don't see why they don't print Chain Lightning instead. It's far more balanced than Bolt b/c it's a sorcery and can be shot back at you in the mirror match.
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« Reply #341 on: June 18, 2009, 05:31:23 pm » |
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I don't see why they don't print Chain Lightning instead. It's far more balanced than Bolt b/c it's a sorcery and can be shot back at you in the mirror match. Because its use would be relegated to Red Deck Wins variants.
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« Reply #342 on: June 23, 2009, 12:51:34 pm » |
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http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dci/doccenter/homeA few interesting changes to the floor rules. The only ones that will have any real impact are: You can now have outside notes between games. Altered cards may now be replaced by basic lands instead of a non-altered copy of the card if you so choose. Otherwise you find a clean copy or quit the tournament. Changes to the definition of drawing too many cards. Spectators are now allowed to ask the players to stop playing while they find a judge to correct a possible rules violation.
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« Reply #343 on: June 23, 2009, 01:59:04 pm » |
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Spectators are now allowed to ask the players to stop playing while they find a judge to correct a possible rules violation. Note that this only applies at RELs less than Professional. I really, really like this change.
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« Reply #344 on: June 23, 2009, 05:14:20 pm » |
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Spectators are now allowed to ask the players to stop playing while they find a judge to correct a possible rules violation. Note that this only applies at RELs less than Professional. I really, really like this change. Hear, hear!
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« Reply #345 on: June 23, 2009, 06:09:12 pm » |
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I once noticed two Akromas in play and pointed it out. Funny enough, the players promptly put their Akromas in the graveyard without calling for a judge. Apparently, it had been several turns and they were both really embarrassed about it.
The new rules mean you can ask them to stop playing while you grab a judge (and a crowd to witness your catch).
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« Reply #346 on: June 25, 2009, 05:26:24 pm » |
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http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=168692So we all already knew that savanah lions would never see the light of day in this format again, but now it is uncommon and works with mobilization. Get cracking you crafty white mages >.> Also, ponder gets new art. Yeah ...?
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« Reply #347 on: June 26, 2009, 12:00:36 pm » |
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Apparently, there's also a Gatherer glitch that allowed people to see all reprints in M10. Some of the more insane ones: Platz and DSC are now Mythics; Manabarbs is in; Serra is uncommon, and has a Mythic friend with first strike, lifelink and pro:D&D  Looter is IN. Also, there are some bery unusual cards such as this one: Sign in Blood  Sorcery Target player draws 2 and loses 2. Seems different, no?
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« Reply #348 on: June 26, 2009, 12:38:43 pm » |
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Standard and Extended are getting some really strong cards. So far, though, I haven't seen much of interest for Vintage- outside of Silence maybe.
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« Reply #349 on: June 26, 2009, 01:04:18 pm » |
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A new one is just up on mtgsalvation: Mirror of Fate  Artifact Tap, Sacrifice Mirror of Fate: Choose up to seven face-up exiled cards you own. Exile all cards in your library, then put the chosen cards on top of your library. The cards go onto your library in any order I suppose. This card seems somewhat like doomsday. Relic of Progenitus combo's nice with this: Exile your best cards (or just all graveyards) and then fix your library doomsday/Yawgmoth's Will style. In addition, you can retrieve all cards you exiled with Force and Yawgmoth's Will. Very cool card with a good potential and possibly a tat too expensive casting cost. Might also invoke a cool workshop-based combo deck in the future. I definately like this one in terms of style potential. Edit: Fixed link
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« Reply #350 on: June 26, 2009, 01:07:36 pm » |
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A new one is just up on mtgsalvation: Mirror of Fate  Artifact Tap, Sacrifice Mirror of Fate: Choose up to seven face-up exiled cards you own. Exile all cards in your library, then put the chosen cards on top of your library. The cards go onto your library in any order I suppose. This card seems somewhat like doomsday. Relic of Progenitus combo's nice with this: Exile your best cards (or just all graveyards) and then fix your library doomsday/Yawgmoth's Will style. In addition, you can retrieve all cards you exiled with Force and Yawgmoth's Will. Demonic Consultation would be better. Or maybe even Paradigm Shift.
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« Reply #351 on: June 26, 2009, 01:19:27 pm » |
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Demonic Consultation would be better.
D'Oh! How could I forget about the coolest tutor to ever grace my highlander deck  . One a lighter note: Sleep   Sorcery Tap all creatures target opponent controls. Creatures that player controls don't untap during their controller's next untap step. I can see this card in casual fish decks to time walk against a resolved tinker and push a lot of damage through. The cost is again quite prohibiting, but a 1-of seems like a possibility since it would also work quite nice against other aggro decks. Finally, about Sign in Blood: Is the new craze now to have spells target any player in the way the original Braingeyser and Mind Twist did? Since Mind Spring and Mind Shatter are also in M10 and they follow the same pattern. Night's Whisper would otherwise seem like an easier reprint.
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« Reply #352 on: June 27, 2009, 08:48:12 am » |
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Wow, this set actually has a pretty high power level. Damn you, Wotc, for making me care about a base set!
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« Reply #354 on: June 27, 2009, 12:44:01 pm » |
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Wow, this set actually has a pretty high power level. Damn you, Wotc, for making me care about a base set!
Yeah, the power level in this set is very noticeably higher. I was kind of wondering how long it would take for them to put new cards in the base set in order to get it sold a little more. Moreover, the reprinted cards are definitely on the higher power end. Thumbs up from me.
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« Reply #355 on: June 27, 2009, 02:50:08 pm » |
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Best core set ever.
(since Revised.)
Not really a single dud in the set.
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« Reply #356 on: June 27, 2009, 03:46:26 pm » |
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Best core set ever.
(since Revised.)
Not really a single dud in the set.
Note also the removal of placenames in card names and the lack of real-world references on the cards so far. Case in point; Grizzly bears are now Rakeclaw Bears. Llanowar Elves have not been changed, mainly on the back of 8 Elves of the one-drop mana producing variety that would be available were they renamed.
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« Reply #357 on: June 27, 2009, 04:47:22 pm » |
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White Weenie now has (apparently) 12 2power 1 drops 
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« Reply #358 on: June 28, 2009, 12:17:22 am » |
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« Reply #359 on: June 29, 2009, 07:44:09 am » |
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Haven't seen this elsewhere on the site: Nature's Spiral - 1G Sorcery Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand. Would be super nice if Gifts was unrestricted. This, Regrowth, Time Vault and Voltaic Key = win for 6GG. Will this get restricted in vintage? I'm not sure if Regrowth's ability to recur Ancestral and Walk is what puts it over the top? MTGSalvation Link: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=169358
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Vintage is a lovely format, it's too bad so few people can play because the supply of power is so small.
Chess really changed when they decided to stop making Queens and Bishops. I'm just glad I got my copies before the prices went crazy.
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