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     To begin, I would like to thank everyone who came out to Brothers Grim to play Vintage yesterday.  We had 47 players fight it out for a Lotus.  I was happy to see many of the new local players, and many of the familiar faces from out of state.  It was a great day for Vintage in New York.

The Complete Metagame Breakdown:

Workshops:

8 Stax
3 MUD

Combo:

4 Drain Tendrils
3 TPS
1 ANT
1 Belcher
1 Elves
1 Dragon

Mana Drains:

7 Tezzeret
1 Mono-U Control

Oath:

6 Oath

Bazaars:

5 Dredge

Null Rods:

2 Goblins
1 Noble Fish
1 Dark Times
1 Euro Madness
1 Cats!

    The most dominant pillar in this metagame was Workshops.  This shouldn’t prove as much of a surprise, as Workshops are exceptionally popular in New York (much as Mana Drains are in New England).  Still, the printing of Lodestone Golem has been a factor, and Shops comprised more than 23% of the field.  Tezzeret clocked in at approximately 15% of the field, with Oath checking in at approximately 13% of the field.  Dredge showed up at a shade over 10%, with various interpretations of combo and aggro comprising the remainder of the field.  

    While we are left considering the results, I would caution that the strength of Shops in this tournament was not just in numbers, as the two Shop decks in top 8 made it all the way to the finals.  

Top 8 Pairings and Results:

Peter Ingram vs. Nick Coss – Ingram wins
Corey Mann vs. Tim Taylor – Mann wins
Raffaele Forino vs. Jim Davis – Forino wins
Ryan Fisher vs. Austin Pollack – Fisher wins

Top 4 Pairings and Results:

Peter Ingram vs. Corey Mann – Ingram wins
Raffaele Forino vs. Ryan Fisher – Forino wins

The Finals:

Peter Ingram vs. Raffaele Forino – Ingram wins

    Heartfelt congratulations to Peter Ingram and Raffaele Forino, two of my close friends who were unfortunately destined to meet and leave only one victor.  This was one of just a few finals matches that I dreamed of seeing, and watching it materialize was wonderful.  Hearty congratulations to Pete, Raff, and all of the top 8 competitors.  

Top 8 Decklists

1st - Peter Ingram
Espresso Stax


3 Chalice of the Void
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
3 Powder Keg
4 Sphere of Resistance
1 Thorn of Amethyst
4 Crucible of Worlds
4 Serum Powder
4 Tangle Wire
1 Trinisphere
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Smokestack
3 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Rishadan Port
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Mishra’s Workshop
4 Wasteland

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Tormod’s Crypt
3 Pithing Needle
2 Duplicant
3 Maze of Ith

2nd – Raffaele Forino
Espresso Stax


3 Chalice of the Void
1 Mana Crypt
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Vault
1 Sol Ring
3 Powder Keg
4 Sphere of Resistance
2 Thorn of Amethyst
3 Crucible of Worlds
4 Serum Powder
4 Tangle Wire
1 Trinisphere
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Smokestack
3 Karn, Silver Golem
1 Strip Mine
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Rishadan Port
4 Ancient Tomb
4 Mishra’s Workshop
4 Wasteland

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Chalice of the Void
3 Pithing Needle
1 Crucible of Worlds
2 Duplicant
1 Ghost Quarter
3 Maze of Ith

3rd – Corey Mann
Goblins


1 Stingscourger
2 Warren Weirding
3 Null Rod
3 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Piledriver
4 Goblin Lackey
2 Siege-Gang Commander
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Goblin Matron
1 Goblin Tinkerer
1 Tin-Street Hooligan
1 Mogg Marshall
2 Artifact Mutation
2 Ancient Tomb
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Ruby
1 Strip Mine
4 Wasteland
5 Mountain
2 Badlands
2 Taiga
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Bloodstained Mire

SB:
4 Thoughtseize
3 Mindbreak Trap
2 Extirpate
3 Ravenous Trap
3 Krosan Grip

4th – Ryan Fischer
Happy Day


3 Underground Sea
3 Polluted Delta
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Lotus Petal
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Time Walk
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Tinker
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Rebuild
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Dark Confidant
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Brainstorm
1 Ponder
4 Force of Will
4 Mana Drain
3 Spell Pierce
1 Repeal

SB:
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Ravenous Trap
2 Perish
1 Smother
1 Trinisphere
3 Annul
2 Mystic Remora

5th – Nick Coss
Drain Tendrils


4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
2 Island
2 Snow Covered Island
1 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Spell Pierce
2 Dark Confidant
3 Dark Ritual
3 Jace the Mind Sculptor
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Rebuild
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Time Walk
1 Ponder
1 Misdirection

SB:
3 Ravenous Trap
3 Yixlid Jailer
1 Pithing Needle
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Perish
2 Spell Snare
1 Tinker
1 Inkwell Leviathan

6th – Jim Davis
TPS


1 Timetwister
1 Time Walk
1 Imperial Seal
1 Grim Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mana Crypt
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Tinker
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ponder
1 Mind’s Desire
1 Merchant Scroll
4 Duress
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Rebuild
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Fact or Fiction
4 Dark Ritual
4 Force of Will
1 Chain of Vapor
2 Cabal Ritual
1 Brainstorm
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Mana Vault
1 Lotus Petal
1 Memory Jar
1 Necropotence
2 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
1 Island
1 Swamp
1 Snow Covered Swamp
1 Snow Covered Island
1 Marsh Flats
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensei’s Divining Top

SB:
1 Island
2 Bojuka Bog
1 Sadistic Sacrament
2 Massacre
1 Slaughter Pact
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Echoing Truth
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Sower of Temptation

7th – Tim Taylor
Tezzeret


4 Island
3 Underground Sea
2 Tropical Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Strip Mine
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
3 Spell Pierce
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Mox Pearl
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Tinker
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Ponder
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Brainstorm
3 Dark Confidant
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Sower of Temptation
1 Hurkyl’s Recall
1 Regrowth
1 Time Walk
1 Repeal
1 Tendrils of Agony
2 Nature’s Claim
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Mystical Tutor

SB:
1 Nature’s Claim
2 Seal of Primordium
1 Perish
2 Smother
1 Mindbreak Trap
1 Echoing Truth
1 Yixlid Jailer
1 Extirpate
2 Ravenous Trap
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod’s Crypt
1 Wasteland

8th – Austin Pollack
Still Oath


4 Spell Pierce
4 Forbidden Orchard
4 Force of Will
1 Time Walk
4 Misty Rainforest
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mox Sapphire
2 Snow Covered Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Regrowth
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Mox Pearl
3 Underground Sea
2 Mana Drain
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensei’s Divining Top
1 Mox Ruby
4 Oath of Druids
1 Brainstorm
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Mox Jet
1 Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 Tropical Island
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Black Lotus
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Mox Emerald
1 Ponder
1 Voltaic Key
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Nature’s Claim
1 Tinker
1 Time Vault
1 Snow Covered Forest
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Mana Crypt
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Terastadon

SB:
1 Show and Tell
2 Pithing Needle
1 Terastadon
1 Mana Drain
1 Strip Mine
2 Nature’s Claim
2 Thoughtseize
1 Bribery
4 Leyline of the Void

9th Place Prize

    The 9th place prize was 197 Ooze Gardens, 8 of which were foil and signed by the top 8.  The winner was David Earley, who missed top 8 by 1.66%.  Better luck next time, and in the mean time, congratulations on quite a bit in repack value…

Sportsmanship Prize

    The Sportsmanship Prize of a Misty Rainforest was won by Pennsylvania’s own Keith Seals.  I have only ever known Keith to be a standout individual, and this prize was well earned.

Random Wolf Shirt

    The prize of a random wolf shirt was won by David Gans.  Our wolf shirts were left in southern Jersey, but will be making their trip back to New York in the coming weeks, so send me your size and we’ll get you set.  Congratulations Dave!

Player of the Year Standings:

    The Player of the Year standings have been updated, and we have quite the race going on, with a three way tie for first place  Here are the top 5:

1.  Ashok Chitturi - 62
1.  Raffaele Forino - 62
1.  Ryan Glackin - 62
4.  Jake Gans - 57
5.  Ralph Parsinitz - 51

    The complete standings:


Albergo, Pat – 13
Bauer, Michael - 25
Brown, Max – 27
Carey, Brian – 17
Chang, John – 12
Chianese, Jim - 6
Chitturi, Ashok – 62
Cohen, Steven - 6
Conway, Scott - 7
Coss, Nick - 19
Davis, Jim – 47
Davis, Joe - 9
Dixon, Tom – 25
Duprez, Dean - 10
Earley, David – 34
Edwards, Rob - 21
Egan, Michael - 24
Eisenhaur, Mike - 30
Elias, Matt – 25
Fenton, Greg – 27
Fisher, Ryan – 29
Folinus, Jeff - 3
Forino, Raffaele - 62
Forino, Vincent – 25
Fritz, Asa - 12
Gans, David - 7
Gans, Jake – 57
Gersher, Eric – 7
Giuliante, Thomas - 9
Glackin, Ryan – 62
Goldberg, JR - 12
Granberry, Brad – 22
Grasso, AJ – 34
Gumina, TJ - 9
Hansen, Chris - 28
Hangley, James - 19
Harris, Visna - 12
Hornung, Mark - 35
Imperiale, Jason – 31
Ingram, Peter - 25
Jasie, David - 8
Jones, Brandon - 12
Karmiche, Dominick – 12
Kazhdan, Joe - 16
Klompowens, Jake – 18
Konak, Ronald - 15
Lapine, Mike – 29
Lawrence, Robert – 30
Li, Ici – 16
Lopategi, Aritz – 12
Mann, Corey - 19
Martin, Jesse – 3
Mason, Dan - 9
Mastrolia, Antonio – 6
Miner, Russell - 10
Mirsberger, Donald – 23
Moss, Matt - 6
Nezin, Alec - 9
Noble, Mike – 30
Owen, Alex - 6
Parisi, Bernie - 21
Parsinitz, Ralph - 51
Pollack, Austin – 43
Potucek, Josh - 1
Rappa, Ryan - 9
Reilly, Brian – 19
Reitnauer, David - 7
Robbins, Sean - 15
Rosa, William – 4
Rubinstein, Aaron - 3
Schreiber, Mike – 9
Schreiber, Thomas – 3
Seals, Keith - 6
Smith, Noah - 4
Soppeck, Ted – 9
Speicher, Richard - 3
Stein, Josh – 6
Sumrall, Nick – 10
Taylor, Tim - 16
Tietze, Max - 6
Towers, Robert – 6
Vezo, Dan – 6

    Sincere thanks go out to our judge, Brian Paskoff, to the Brothers Grim staff – Dave and Gil, and to all the competitors.  A tournament announcement for N.Y.S.E. IX will be up within the week, and I hope to see you all there!
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 02:51:42 pm »

Impressive job getting the report up so soon after our adventures at Friday's last night! Quick, in what year did the French Revolution start?
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2010, 03:11:44 pm »

A great time to be had by all. I have only known the NYSE's, and events following, to be an amazing time. Special congratulations to Pete and Raf for a solid final, may the reign of Italian Stallion Stax never end.

Props:
Nick D for teaching me about the Nazis and WWII
Raf and Pete for being good friends and representing Strong Island well
Nick C. for dealing like a champ and building the CATS! (even though he forgot the rare boxes)
CATS! for getting there against JR (even though I tried to punt)
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CATS! for losing to everything else
Austin and Dave Earley for that savage 3 bomb Tichu hand

Look forward to seeing everyone again real soon.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 04:48:57 pm »

5th – Nick Coss
Drain Tendrils


4 Polluted Delta
1 Flooded Strand
3 Underground Sea
2 Island
2 Snow Covered Island
1 Swamp
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Lotus Petal
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
4 Force of Will
3 Mana Drain
2 Spell Pierce
2 Dark Confidant
3 Dark Ritual
3 Jace the Mind Sculptor
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Necropotence
1 Yawgmoth’s Bargain
1 Yawgmoth’s Will
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
1 Fact or Fiction
1 Gifts Ungiven
1 Rebuild
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Time Walk
1 Ponder
1 Misdirection

SB:
3 Ravenous Trap
3 Yixlid Jailer
1 Pithing Needle
2 Hurkyl’s Recall
2 Perish
2 Spell Snare
1 Tinker
1 Inkwell Leviathan

It's not very often that I get the chance to play Vintage; I had a blast and will be playing at events in the future.  Thanks for running a great event Nick, as always it was insanely fun.

I am in love with this deck, let me tell you.  All day I felt like I had a huge edge in every game, and felt in complete control for the whole tournament.  Unfortunately, the only time it stumbled was in the Top 8 against Peter Ingram.  I really think this deck has what it takes to be a major contender, and although I would change a few slots (in both the MD and the SB) I think it's 99% there.  A large portion of players from Northeast PA have been dominating the tournament scene in the area with this deck, it's no fluke.  Jeremy Beaver, Dominic DiFebo, and most recently Nate Thompson have all put up impressive results in the last few months.

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 04:51:03 pm »

Congrats to Jim, who I played in round 3, for making top 8.  Sorry for drawing the nuts both games.
Congrats to Mr. Coss, who I played in round 4, for making top 8.  One epic punt deserves another eh?
Congrats to Raff, who I played in round 5, for getting to the finals and beating Fisher in your rematch.
Congrats to Pete, who I played in round 6, for smashing face on the way to a win.  I'm glad you and Tim both made top 8.  I hope there's no hard feelings that I didn't scoop right away.

Congrats to teammates Ryan Fisher and Tim Taylor for making top 8 as well.

It was good to see everyone after my hiatus.  I hope to see everyone again at the next Blue Bell.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 06:05:42 pm »

Congrats to Jim
Congrats to Mr. Coss
Congrats to Raff
Congrats to Pete

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I'd say ggs for our match, but let's face it, we'd prefer not to remember what went on.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2010, 06:10:30 pm »

I dont come to these only for the event, I come here for the people.  The group of people who come out to these events.  Everyone of them are champs.  They are great people.  
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2010, 08:35:55 pm »

Slops:
Austin and Dave Earley for that savage 3 bomb Tichu hand

That was pretty sick. Tichu definitely exceeded my expectations as a game and I'm looking forward to playing again in the future.

Thanks to Nick for another well-run event. I guess I'll have to luck next time for the top 8, though I am glad I will be able to fill an entire junk rare binder with Ooze Gardens now.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 12:12:59 pm »

Slops:
Austin and Dave Earley for that savage 3 bomb Tichu hand

That was pretty sick. Tichu definitely exceeded my expectations as a game and I'm looking forward to playing again in the future.

Thanks to Nick for another well-run event. I guess I'll have to luck next time for the top 8, though I am glad I will be able to fill an entire junk rare binder with Ooze Gardens now.

Tichu is definitely one of my new favorite games and I couldn't have picked a better group of guys to learn it with. The fact is, it doesn't matter if I'm playing magic or not, these events are a blast. If you value fun and a damn solid group of guys you'll make the trip.

Oh and I'm so glad we got there with that super loose grand tichu call.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 05:05:07 pm »

Sorry I missed this, but it looks like everything went great

By the way, do you still potentially need the 9th place prize for next time?
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 05:52:53 pm »

I would like to thank Nick D. for a fantastic ,well run event. It was hulk smash of a good time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Nick "The GOD KING" Coss for his top8.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2010, 10:45:33 am »

No Black Lotus in either of the top two decklists? That just seems wrong to me..
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The real meddling mage would also like to know if they really did not play Black Lotus. 
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2010, 04:11:07 pm »

They really did not play Black Lotus; the logic was that the deck needs multiple turns out of any mana source in the deck, and that explosiveness (aka lotus) won't win the game, because stax/mud will stall out if only given the opportunity to play 1 spell.  Nick, Raf, anyone else, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, this was my understanding of why there's no lotus in the list.

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2010, 04:46:32 pm »

They really did not play Black Lotus; the logic was that the deck needs multiple turns out of any mana source in the deck, and that explosiveness (aka lotus) won't win the game, because stax/mud will stall out if only given the opportunity to play 1 spell.  Nick, Raf, anyone else, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, this was my understanding of why there's no lotus in the list.

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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2010, 06:14:32 pm »

Are you sure that there were only 5 Dredge decks? I was one of the Dredge players and I played against 3 others, which would mean that the only Dredge player I could of possibly faced who I didn't was Jake lucky they didn't face me.
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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2010, 06:26:40 pm »

Jake (Gans) was actually playing espresso stax at this event.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2010, 07:09:29 pm »

I've played this deck in more events than any of the other players. I have never once missed or needed lotus. The deck just doesn't need lotus
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2010, 07:20:00 pm »

The real meddling mage would also like to know if they really did not play Black Lotus. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2010, 07:35:41 pm »

Further noted I may be able to count and am unable to back up or edit the claim of played in more events with this deck. Further more if you are playing a deck cats is the way to go as long as you don't punt like a certain cube of rube did...
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2010, 07:55:35 pm »

I should post that deck in the pimp vintage card forum, featuring "Cattock Teeg"

What'ya think? Cat's.dec going to be dominating American Vintage soon?
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2010, 09:12:58 pm »

I should post that deck in the pimp vintage card forum, featuring "Cattock Teeg"

What'ya think? Cat's.dec going to be dominating American Vintage soon?

Is there really any doubt that Cat's is the best deck in Vintage?
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2010, 03:29:28 am »

I should post that deck in the pimp vintage card forum, featuring "Cattock Teeg"

What'ya think? Cat's.dec going to be dominating American Vintage soon?

Is there really any doubt that Cat's is the best deck in Vintage?

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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2010, 03:45:20 pm »

The real meddling mage would also like to know if they really did not play Black Lotus.  

I remember when I selected this nickname a million years ago thinking that Pro Tour players didn't really play vintage and that it would most likely never come up....knew I should've gone with Sylvan Safekeeper...

They really did not play Black Lotus; the logic was that the deck needs multiple turns out of any mana source in the deck, and that explosiveness (aka lotus) won't win the game, because stax/mud will stall out if only given the opportunity to play 1 spell.  Nick, Raf, anyone else, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, this was my understanding of why there's no lotus in the list.

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That and the fact that lotus is only good on turn 1 because of all of the spheres/chalice 0

I've played this deck in more events than any of the other players. I have never once missed or needed lotus. The deck just doesn't need lotus

If these decks hadn't had such an overwhelmingly strong showing at one of the larger recent events I could dismiss this as ridiculous and move on. It's just one of the assumptions in vintage...if your deck casts spells with mana, then it should have Black Lotus. I guess it's true, there is never a time where you NEED Black Lotus, I've ripped one off the top with three Workshops on the table or a chalice for zero out and cursed my luck, but so often it turns a hand from being ok to being amazing. Black Lotus often means the difference between a turn 1 Sphere of Resistance and a turn 1 Lodestone Golem AND Sphere of Resistance. Burying an opponent before they can set up their board position properly is a vital function of the deck and that early explosiveness can absolutely win games.

In your decks where you have even less spheres and chalices to reduce the effectiveness of Lotus and Serum Powder which allows you to be pickier about having only the most potent opening hands to not include it makes even less sense to me.

This whole thing is really blowing my mind. I'll be starting a thread to discuss this in a more appropriate forum.
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2010, 12:12:55 am »

Had a great time.  Look forward to the next event, but next time i will be getting a hotel so i don't have to drive 4 hours home. 
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2010, 02:45:49 pm »

it was a fun event and cant wait for the next one
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2010, 08:41:42 pm »

Agreed, this was a super fun time, and special thanks to Max, Nick and Dave for helping me organize transportation. I look forward to posting a not completely embarrassing record at the next NYSE event.
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« Reply #27 on: June 14, 2010, 09:27:36 pm »

it was a good tourney cant wait for the next one
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2010, 12:33:58 pm »

it was a good tourney cant wait for the next one

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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2010, 01:39:17 pm »

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