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Whenever a source deals damage to ~, that sources controller sacrifices that many permanents.
5/5
I'm sorry but this is just bananas. Maybe not for vintage but ZOMG
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 03:02:42 pm » |
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Is this better than Phyrexian Negator? If so, how?
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So they must sac permanents? Okay that is better.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 03:24:12 pm » |
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That is pretty ridiculous. quad-black mana would be difficult to get in anything other than a ritual based deck in vintage, but it might be playable. A 5/5 for 4 (even 4 on color) is good...and given that ability it becomes pretty amazing.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 03:28:52 pm » |
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Suicide black is back bitchessss!!! ... Ok, maybe not  |
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 05:15:38 pm » |
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well, it might still not be tier 1, but this card is insane for black. now it's not even suicide, but homicide black...
it rapes all other creature decks. it blocks a blightsteel colossus into the deck, while jökullhaupsing everything for your opponent. it is a 4 turn clock. New Phyrexia has had some insane cards already.
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 11:13:28 pm » |
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Is this better than Phyrexian Negator? If so, how?
EDIT:
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So they must sac permanents? Okay that is better.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 11:31:42 pm » |
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The two closest vintage comparisons I can draw are Phyrexian Negator and Juzam Djinn. It's much harder to cast than Negator, but has the mirror effect of Negator's drawback and therefore is significantly better once cast. It costs 4 like Juzam but the BBBB is more prohibitive than 2BB again rather than having a drawback it has a beneficial ability. If either of these cards were seeing play, I would say that this card might be a nice upgrade over them, but as it stands I'm not sure there's a place for this thing anywhere. Even in a format with Dark Ritual the BBBB is too prohibiitive. Pretty sure it'll never see vintage play.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 08:14:11 am » |
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G/B Aggro deck with Lotus Cobra, Urborg Tomb and this guy, book it, done.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2011, 10:25:39 am » |
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This thing pretty much says on it that Lodestone is a chump.
That seems like a big deal.
It's other ability is to slap around shit like Tinker for Inkwell and be generally unblockable.
More complicated than any of those, but I think that definitely makes it better than Negator in pretty much every deck.
However, the problem is that 4 mana for a 4 turn clock still isn't broken.
It's not balls ridiculous without dark ritual backing it up and it doesn't necessarily straight up answer anything.
But it is decent enough to see play in any version of mono black that ever comes up until a bigger beastie is printed.
I don't think that this will bring back Suicide, but it might make a viable version of it possible together with some of the other recent printings.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2011, 11:06:47 am » |
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it blocks a blightsteel colossus into the deck, while jökullhaupsing everything for your opponent. i'm pretty sure that infect means that the Canceler doesnt actually take damage and just dies instead. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2011, 11:21:12 am » |
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it blocks a blightsteel colossus into the deck, while jökullhaupsing everything for your opponent. i'm pretty sure that infect means that the Canceler doesnt actually take damage and just dies instead. To the best of my knowledge, Infect/Wither damage is still damage, and triggers all the same stuff normal damage would. Edit: Found some backup. From the Scars of Mirrodin FAQ...* Damage from a source with infect is damage in all respects. If the source with infect also has lifelink, damage dealt by that source also causes its controller to gain that much life. Damage from a source with infect can be prevented or redirected. Abilities that trigger on damage being dealt will trigger if a source with infect deals damage, if appropriate. |
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2011, 11:27:04 am » |
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it blocks a blightsteel colossus into the deck, while jökullhaupsing everything for your opponent. i'm pretty sure that infect means that the Canceler doesnt actually take damage and just dies instead. To the best of my knowledge, Infect/Wither damage is still damage, and triggers all the same stuff normal damage would. This is correct. It still deals damage. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2011, 06:18:56 pm » |
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It will distort a Legacy metagame greatly. Give black decks a 'good' blocker and attacker. Here is my answer. Do people run cards like Tombstalker in Vintage? There is your answer. The sacrifice effect is clutch to breaking a MUD matchup though.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 04:09:42 am » |
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Ya, infect is a replacement effect on the damage dealt. Everything still triggers.
But holy $h!& that's a fantastic printing. Mono black just got a ton better.
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2011, 05:14:56 am » |
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It would be a great card for any monoB deck if blightsteel colossus wasn't the tinker target of choice.
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2011, 08:29:05 am » |
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It would be a great card for any monoB deck if blightsteel colossus wasn't the tinker target of choice.
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2011, 03:30:03 pm » |
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It would be a great card for any monoB deck if blightsteel colossus wasn't the tinker target of choice.
It is decent against Blightsteel and can be a way to keep it at bay. Hilarious if Colossus is forced to block  |
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2011, 03:47:15 pm » |
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Nettling imp is back baby!!
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2011, 03:48:10 pm » |
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How does the new trample rule work? I know in the past, BSC would deal 5 to a blocker then the other 6 to the player. Is that still the case? If so, I just have to get 5 lands/permanents in play and then BSC runs over this dude no problem.
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2011, 06:45:17 pm » |
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How does the new trample rule work? I know in the past, BSC would deal 5 to a blocker then the other 6 to the player. Is that still the case? If so, I just have to get 5 lands/permanents in play and then BSC runs over this dude no problem.
Yes, this is still the case. Just hope that they don't edict you after you swing =O |
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2011, 08:22:33 pm » |
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Given that the biggest restriction of running this guy is that he requires BBBB, almost necessitating a monoblack manabase and/or Dark Rituals, and that otherwise he is a standout beatstick in a LOT of situations, is this playable in Dark Times?
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2011, 02:16:16 am » |
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Just a silly question but with Dual Lands, and Urborgs, wouldn't he be a wrecking house in a red splash deck? Bolt or Chain Lightning Him and you opponent sacs 3? Grim Lavamancer for 2 perms a turn. Or stay mono black and bring back cursed scroll. Drop your hand with Rituals and Discard, then start hitting him for 3 mana, and 2 damage from Scroll. 3 mana lock? Just my thoughts on how to use him.
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2011, 02:51:40 am » |
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Just a silly question but with Dual Lands, and Urborgs, wouldn't he be a wrecking house in a red splash deck? Bolt or Chain Lightning Him and you opponent sacs 3? Grim Lavamancer for 2 perms a turn. Or stay mono black and bring back cursed scroll. Drop your hand with Rituals and Discard, then start hitting him for 3 mana, and 2 damage from Scroll. 3 mana lock? Just my thoughts on how to use him.
I guess not. Whenever a source deals damage to ~, that sources controller sacrifices that many permanents. |
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2011, 11:20:46 am » |
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Just a silly question but with Dual Lands, and Urborgs, wouldn't he be a wrecking house in a red splash deck? Bolt or Chain Lightning Him and you opponent sacs 3? Grim Lavamancer for 2 perms a turn. Or stay mono black and bring back cursed scroll. Drop your hand with Rituals and Discard, then start hitting him for 3 mana, and 2 damage from Scroll. 3 mana lock? Just my thoughts on how to use him. You consistently amaze me with how bad your grasp of this game is. Comments like this are inappropriate flames. Please try to be more respectful to your fellow TMD members in the future. There are much more polite ways to point out factual errors than this.
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2011, 12:06:24 pm » |
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2011, 08:16:55 pm » |
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oh my god, i love low tier sui-black decks.
that said, I don't see it being that high impact. I know in some ritual combo decks that they'd have a SB creature as a back up plan, and that seems like a good fit. realistically speaking you can't make it do stupid things, unless the opponent really wants it to.
but, ya know, i love it all the same.
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