Torpor Dreadnought

[Portalis]

was looking at Torpor Orb and thought with casting dreadnaught can make it fast and effective not sure for a type 1 style but here is the deck i came up with. let me know what you think. was thinking of adding in Dark Confidents or not but this deck is kinda on a ruff draft.
 
Lands
x4 Underground sea
x6 Fetch Lands
x1 Tolarian Academy
x1 Strip Mine
x3 Wasteland
x2 Island
x2 Swamp
x1 Bojuka Bog

Creatures
x3 Phyrexian Dreadnought
x1 Blightsteel Colossus

Artifacts
x1 Black Lotus
x1 Mox Sapphire
x1 Mox Jet
x4 Torpor Orb
x1 Sol Ring

Spells
x1 Ponder
x1 Brainstorm
x4 Force of Will
x4 Duress
x3 Thoughtsize
x1 Tinker
x1 Demonic Tutor
x1 Vampiric Tutor
x4 Preordain
x1 Time Walk
x1 Ancestral Recall
x1 Praetor's Grasp
x2 Spell Pierce
x3 Dark Ritual

[serracollector]

Nice idea, 1 thing tho, you play no maindeck bounce, so a first turn chalice for 1 spells GG for you.

[meadbert]

You could add Hunted cards + Engineered Explosives to gain resilience against Chalice@1.

Explosives can remove Chalice@1.

Hunted creatures such as Hunted Horror seem decent with Torpor Orb out and they dodge Chalice@1.

Hunted creatures have synergy with Explosives since you can use Explosives to remove their tokens.

[Portalis]

forgot all about chalice espically for 1.

that is weird that hunted horror is brought up. i have a casual deck that uses hunter horror and Leyline of Singularity maybe i can deconstruct the casual deck into a more competitive deck on this. hmm (the gears are turning)

[serracollector]

yea, I am running a mono black version in legacy running 4 x confidant, 4 x ritual, 4 horror, 4 dreadnought, 8 ts/duress, and 8 go for throat/doomblade. 4 x torpor. 4 x EE, and its been doing descent.  Don't know if this config can work in vintage, but a thought.

[Portalis]

yea, I am running a mono black version in legacy running 4 x confidant, 4 x ritual, 4 horror, 4 dreadnought, 8 ts/duress, and 8 go for throat/doomblade. 4 x torpor. 4 x EE, and its been doing descent.  Don't know if this config can work in vintage, but a thought.

looks good for legacy i might convent it to legacy now and replace either throat or doomblade for x4 Geth's Verdict incase i can't target a nasty creature. that i only own 3 dreadnoughts so might throw in a predator's grasp or even 1 unearth to get a creature back. have to play test more

[TheShop]

This deck MUST have stifle to operate.  You can't run 8 cards that only work with an orb in play without adding stifle.  Since blue is necessary, you get to run other blue staples to juice up the main.  I would go 4 stifle/3 orb and run trinket Mage with at least 1 one pithing needle,1 EE, and one crypt/relic.  Running power allows you to pay these costs without rituals.

[evouga]

Isn't EE unreliable against Chalice? It seems that if there's a chalice at 1, it's not too uncommon for there also to be a chalice at 0...

[Darkenslight]

Isn't EE unreliable against Chalice? It seems that if there's a chalice at 1, it's not too uncommon for there also to be a chalice at 0...

Doesn't workj, as you can pay  and still have an EE at 0.

[dangerlinto]

This deck MUST have stifle to operate.  You can't run 8 cards that only work with an orb in play without adding stifle.  Since blue is necessary, you get to run other blue staples to juice up the main.  I would go 4 stifle/3 orb and run trinket Mage with at least 1 one pithing needle,1 EE, and one crypt/relic.  Running power allows you to pay these costs without rituals.

You want Trinket Mage in a deck with Torpor Orbs?

Good Luck.

[evouga]

Isn't EE unreliable against Chalice? It seems that if there's a chalice at 1, it's not too uncommon for there also to be a chalice at 0...

Doesn't workj, as you can pay  and still have an EE at 0.

To do that you need Sol Ring or two unused Wastes/Strip Mine in play, right?

[TheShop]

This deck MUST have stifle to operate.  You can't run 8 cards that only work with an orb in play without adding stifle.  Since blue is necessary, you get to run other blue staples to juice up the main.  I would go 4 stifle/3 orb and run trinket Mage with at least 1 one pithing needle,1 EE, and one crypt/relic.  Running power allows you to pay these costs without rituals.

You want Trinket Mage in a deck with Torpor Orbs?

Good Luck.

You laugh, but an unrestricted tutor for 1/2 of the items you need + utility is good.  Also, what use is the orb before you make the 12/12 guy???  Why put it into play without a creature in hand???  It costs 3 mana total to go off...that is easily turn 2 mana in vintage...you can afford to hold the orb until ready to go off, since it is a dead permanent anyway and likely will be countered/destroyed.  I would only run 3 orbs anyway to complement stifle...since orb is worse than time vault when alone and without your other piece.

PS- I am sure that I am not the first to notice this, but I am thinking a legacy mono-blue deck with artificer's intuition might work based on orb/stifle.

[policehq]

since orb is worse than time vault when alone and without your other piece.

Only when goldfishing. Meddling Mage, Tin Street Hooligan, Phyrexian Revoker, Dread Return targets, etc. help to make Torpor Orb relevant.

[TheShop]

since orb is worse than time vault when alone and without your other piece.

Only when goldfishing. Meddling Mage, Tin Street Hooligan, Phyrexian Revoker, Dread Return targets, etc. help to make Torpor Orb relevant.

How is stopping revoker relevant? you play no activated abilities.  I have been out of the loop for a month or so, but I haven't seen a deck packing hooligan or Mage main recently either...I concede the point on dread return targets...but dredge is handled in sideboard slots.

I maintain that the marginal utility gained from holding orb and using Mage outweighs the benefits of preventing a possible Mage/revoker/hooligan in an unknown field.

[That0neguy]

Is dreadnaught even that good anymore?  Artifact creatures are pretty easy to deal with.

Also is Topor Orb that much better than Stifle?  Both are 2 card combos, but stifle + Naught is 2 mana where Orb + Naught is 3.

People weren't stifling Naught into play before, does Orb really make the deck playable?

[madmanmike25]

People weren't stifling Naught into play before, does Orb really make the deck playable?

You just pwnt this thread.

Vintage needs more decks that have cards that are good/playable on their own.  I realize that this is "Creative" and therefore mostly for fun, though.

[TheShop]

People weren't stifling Naught into play before, does Orb really make the deck playable?

You just pwnt this thread.

Vintage needs more decks that have cards that are good/playable on their own.  I realize that this is "Creative" and therefore mostly for fun, though.

While everyone realizes that this isn't an optimal deck choice right now, I don't think there is any harm in the discussion of how to build and play it.  I actually feel like the negative tier-esque comments are not helpful in any way towards the gainful discussion taking place and restate the sentimate already voiced in the spoiler thread for torpor orb.  Even more revealing, this deck is in the Creative forum...no one is claiming tournament superiority here.  Thanks for nothing.

I think you could easily post similar trolling comments in any number of threads in the Creative forum...but to answer the relevant part of your post-

I believe that orb is a bad supplement to stifle in this deck and that less than 4 should be played...if the card stifle and a SS type deck becomes viable again(blue becomes more prevalent again), then this may be a serious option to entertain.  Another deck for the watchlist IMHO.

[madmanmike25]

First off, I'm not trolling.  Secondly, don't be so sensitve.  I'm not insulting anyone here.  If this deck could be viable I would like that more than you would know.

So if my comment was unsatisfactory to you please realilze I wasn't trying to say "this thread sux and should not be", but rather that the person I quoted made what I thought was a damn good point.

[yankeedave]

I am currently having a play about with this deck to see what I can make happen. This is where I am at currently:

Artifact (13)

1x Black Lotus
1x Mana Crypt
1x Mox Emerald
1x Mox Jet
1x Mox Pearl
1x Mox Ruby
1x Mox Sapphire
1x Sol Ring
1x Time Vault
3x Torpor Orb
1x Voltaic Key

Sorcery (9)

1x Demonic Tutor
2x Duress
1x Merchant Scroll
1x Ponder
1x Thoughtseize
1x Time Walk
1x Tinker
1x Yawgmoth's Will

Land (16)

1x Bloodstained Mire
2x Island
2x Misty Rainforest
4x Polluted Delta
1x Strip Mine
1x Swamp
1x Tolarian Academy
4x Underground Sea

Instant (14)

1x Ancestral Recall
1x Brainstorm
1x Chain of Vapor
4x Force of Will
2x Hurkyl's Recall
1x Mystical Tutor
3x Stifle
1x Vampiric Tutor

Creature (8)

1x Blightsteel Colossus
4x Dark Confidant
3x Phyrexian Dreadnought

Whilst I can see this is not going to be a top tier deck, I believe it could be great fun in the right meta and may have room for some Enlightened Tutors or something similar. It currently mulligans quite horribly and I would like to at least have a crack and getting this more up to snuff.

[TheShop]

First off, I'm not trolling.  Secondly, don't be so sensitve.  I'm not insulting anyone here.  If this deck could be viable I would like that more than you would know.

So if my comment was unsatisfactory to you please realilze I wasn't trying to say "this thread sux and should not be", but rather that the person I quoted made what I thought was a damn good point.

Not you mike, I have great respect for your posts.  I take issue with the first post stating the deck isn't good now.  It is admittedly true, but not necessarily warranted per my reasoning above.

[Nefarias]

since orb is worse than time vault when alone and without your other piece.

Only when goldfishing. Meddling Mage, Tin Street Hooligan, Phyrexian Revoker, Dread Return targets, etc. help to make Torpor Orb relevant.

While your general point is valid, just an FYI that Meddling Mage, Phyrexian Revoker, and Iona's abilities are not triggered. They are "as they enter the battlefield." Triggered abilities are those containing the words "at," "when," or "whenever." So Torpor Orb does not interact with these cards.

Off the top of my head, other relevant cards include Terastodon, Flame-Kin Zealot, Sphinx of Lost Truths (not sure if anyone still plays that guy), Sun Titan, Duplicant, Ingot Chewer, and Leonin Relic-Warder. Those are mostly fringe so I'm not sure that it's enough personally.

[madmanmike25]

Back on track, has anyone given thought to Transmute Artifact for this deck?  It seems like it would be good to find Dreadnought, Orb, Key, or Vault.

[Bill Copes]

Well, the orb makes Leveler and Eater of Days *playable.

* barely

[Portalis]

Well, the orb makes Leveler and Eater of Days *playable.

* barely

that is why i choose Dreadnought because 1 casting cost for a 12/12 trample with orb out no set backs yeah its nice.
I trired a mono black but failed in play testing. seems you need blue to help with counters/draw too. 

[TheShop]

Is an artificer's intuition toolbox possibly viable here?  You could tutor naught, key, top, lotus, pithing needle, tormod....gives you a use for duplicate dreadnoughts