Great vids, thanks for these! One question though:

on the Gobs vs TMWA vid, The Gobs pilot played a Stingscourger and didn't bounced anything. is this possible? I think the Stingscourger should have a legal target first before it can enter the battlefield, right?

humans, goblins and merfolk represents the tribal decks

blue:
delver of secrets

black:
hypnotic specter (ah, classic )

red:
magus of the moon and blood moon, tin street hooligan, torch fiend, simian spirit guide, seal of fire, pyroclasm, stingscourger

white:
jotun grunt, icatian javalineers

green:
seal of primordium, elvish spirit guide, wild nacatl - should have been the greatest one drop beater but too vulnerable for waste effects

r/g hybrid:
vexing shusher

these might be seem too "narrow" but for people who are into beatz and/or fish (like me) and wants to try the format, they should have their weapons of choice as well

believe or not, our player's cards are perfect sleeved, normal sleeved AND top loaded; that's how people here love their cards

this was a proxied event; maybe it was just missed out in the list since there was a storm when they played...

steve, i think you missed Beat decks in your list...it's different from traditional fish decks since it's non -blue...

With Shop based decks always on the top these days, I believe that Beat decks should run Aether Vial to stand a chance; I do run a RG Beatz list with Vial in it and
during testing it did incredibly well against Shops, Blue-Based Control and Fish decks. Based on my testing against Shops, if you don't have a Vial in your opening Grip or in your next draw, 80-90% of the time you'll scoop.

My question is if you ever run a Vial based deck and you face a Non Shop deck, will you always mull aggresively for Vial? If you don't, what factor/s will make you keep an opening hand without a Vial in it?

let's say i have a Vexing Shusher in play; i cast a Goblin Piledriver and my opponent responded by countering it with Force of Will. In response, i activated Shusher's ability to make the Piledriver uncounterable but then my opponent responded with another FoW and he said my Piledriver will be countered. Is this possible? I think what he tried to do was he didn't let Shusher's ability to resolve yet since it is still on the stack so responded by countering the Piledriver with his second FoW. Also, if it is possible, can i respond to his second FoW by activating again Shusher's ability thus making the Piledriver uncounterable? Thank you in advance.

a very good article sir; a must read for new and old players alike. i just wished i learned stuff like this earlier and/or during my younger years...

Vexing Shusher + Blast is a good answer to Tinker for me. Bruizar pointed out that more people now uses Inkwell more than Sphinx because Sphinx can be bounced opposed to Inkwell. if that's the case, Thornweald Archer will do the job but just to be on the safe side,  Vexing Shusher + Blast is the best.

exactly my point.


You also forgot Vithian Renegades  which i think is the best as it can beat for 3. Do you think ramping Vial to 3 will be ok? Viridian Shaman is 2cc which is good but the activation is meh. i just wish they could print something like RG Hooligan that directly destroys artifacts when it comes into play(without the paying G condition).  BTW, i do play Blast MD

sorry man if i've been sounding like a noob but i haven't joined any tourneys lately and i had very limiting testing these past few months so i'm just relying on your responses for my theories. thanks for answering man.  

nice work there Troy;  although i don't use X-mas beatings myself, your card choices for various match ups menu pretty nailed it hard  as a RG player myself i would like to share some insights/suggestions:

i think Vexing Shusher is a good addition to this deck; i plan to use this in my RG Beats deck. Shusher + Pyroblast is a very good answer to Tinker. They play Tinker you Blast in response and if they counter back just activate Shusher's ability and see your opponents' counter fizzle. It also laughs off Chalice set to 2 and therefore can help you resolve 2 cc spells in any case you are locked with Chalice set at 2.

Burning Tree Shaman is good especially with Vault-Key but thing is which will you cut? aside from Troy pointing out that it takes up another 3cc slot (which is kinda hard if you're gonna ask me), i think it would be too much since you already have 4 Seals and 4 Null Rod for that. But on the other hand, Shaman also deserves a second look since it also a body to be reckoned with which i guess could help in the Fish match ups  and it can also punish you opponents when they Top, Fetch, Jace etc.

@troy:what i would like to ask is that from your experience, on average, from what turns does usually a Tez player cast Tinker? also, since i don't use Null Rods, is Seal of Primordium enough to keep Vault-Key in check? i ask these questions as i believe it will help me finalizing my RG Beats list. Of course i can't post it here but if there are anyone interested i'll be glad to discuss it with you. thank you in advance     


   

oh yeah i forgot that wishes can only get cards from the sideboard; i was used playing with wishes casually back in the day. sorry about that.

this card will be good since it can get the sideboard cards you need during pre-sideboard games; but i still prefer the Wished card to be the same type as the one you sac'ed. that's just me though.

seems too powerful to me; for 2 mana you can get ANY card you want.  how about making the card you "Wished" be the same card type as the one you sac'ed?

i never ever liked and ran Null rod in a RG deck...

How about Ember Hauler: seems it has potential in beat decks like Gobs or R/X decks. A walking Shock and can be used to remove Bridges in the 'yard along with Mogg Fanatic and other sac critters.

definitely Vintage playable; possible solution to stinkin' Sphinx of the Steelwind..i wonder if this could be used in an RG beats deck to the fact that this is an artifact...

guys i'll be imposing the 24-hour thinggy as i read in the rules thread...feel free to comment on the current version but personally i'm satisfied with the card

yes, i used the Gruul name because it's RG and yes eventually i did a color friendly cycle ala Ravnica guildmages 



Very much agreed. I think upping the cost for the burn part was what i'm looking for. I'll also get rid of the Haste part. Thanks for the suggestion

actually one of my first version of him was somewhat like this but with no sac ability and has non-basic landwalk and 2/1 instead of 2/2...if something like this got printed, it would be a pain the butt for Shop players like you

as of now, i'm sticking with the Lava Dart version of his R activation cost and i think adding Haste would be fine, right?

Also, i would just like to share one of my first ideas for this guy...

actually the metric of the card was not Pridemage but Hull Breach;


when Pridemage came out (which i predicted) i was so disappointed he came out GW instead of RG (or at least R/W G) so i also wanted the card to have a sac ability (anti-Oath, anti Vault-Key);

this one i really thought would be nice but i think it's to wordy and too good:

i thought the randomness of dealing 2 damage would be fun and is a legit R ability but as you guys told me a Shock effect would be too much.

how about from originally two damage i change it to 1 ala Mogg Fanatic with an activation cost..i think that will do...

yeah, i see what you mean..i guess it's ridiculous *sigh*..but i want to keep its cost of RG (2cc) as i believe there is no card which is "decent" with the same cost (maybe Scab-Clan Mauler but it's just a plain beater)...how about the ability like this:

R, Sacrifice Gruul Antimage: Destroy target artifact.
G, Sacrifice Gruul Antimage: Destroy target enchantment.

 

Gruul Anti-Mage
RG
Creature -- Human Berserker
2/2
R, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Gruul Anti-Mage deals 2 damage to target creature or player.
G, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.

He breaks your face with ruin and rage.


Gruul Anti-Mage
 
Creature -- Human Berserker
2/2
, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Gruul Anti-Mage deals 2 damage to target creature or player.
, Sacrifice Gruul Anti-Mage: Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
He breaks your face with ruin and rage.



I really feel RG deserves to have something like this; it's not overpowered and the abilities are relevant for both Red and Green.  

the videos keep getting better and better...videos like these are very helpful especially to people who wants to learn more about vintage and people who can't go to tourneys lately (like me  ) ..looking forward for more videos from upcoming tourneys...keep up the good work!!

cool videos although i'm not fan of the music used...very helpful and informative also...do you happen to have the list of the Zoo deck?

do you happen to have the Nate's decklist? this sounds VERY interesting for me

Hi. i just want to ask if you guys especially r/g beats users, can share any solutions to Sphinx of the Steelwind.it is such a pain in the ass..Thank you

Yeah, sorry about that...anyways here's what i was running together with the changes i'm considering:

4 Kird Ape
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Tin Street Hooligan
3 Magus of the Moon
3 Scab-Clan Mauler
2 Ohran Viper
1 Simian Spirit Guide (this should be Mox Ruby but unfortunately i don't have one)
1 Elvish Spirit Guide (this should be Mox Emerald but unfortunately i don't have one)
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Seal of Fire
4 Aether Vial
3 Chalice of the Void
3 Skullclamp
1 Lotus Petal (this should be Black Lotus but unfortunately, again,  i don't have one)
4 Taiga
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Wasteland
2 Windswept Heath
2 Mountain
1 Forest
1 Strip Mine   

the chages i'm considering are:


-3 Scab-Clan Mauler; +3 Viridian Zealot

I want to run Zealots only as a 3-of as i consider them only as "back-up"  to TSH in artifact destruction and also as an anti-Vault-Key and Oath tech as well that beats; however, as everyone pointed out, the activation is very high that's why i'm only planning on running them as 3-of only as i don't want to see Zealot on my opening hand. but i'm also thinking Ancient Grudge is much superior in stopping the Vault-Key combo.   

-2 Ohran Viper; +2 Thornweald Archer

Sure Viper can help you draw cards but here are lots of times that i needed to block a Tinkered Inky  or need a creature in play but i can't because:
1.)my mana is either few
2.)Aether vial's charge is 2
3.) i don't have enough green mana. so i guess Thornweald is in.

-1 Seal of Fire; +1 Chalice of The Void

Initially i thought of running only 3 as once i have one in play i don't want to draw another one again as i thought this will be useless and should be another card instead; it turns out against powered decks running a full set of Moxen this should almost always be in my opening hand as when it comes to tempo they will be way ahead of me.

The side board almost looks like this but still open for changes:

4 Pyrostatic Pillar
4 Seal of Primordium
3 Ancient Grudge
3 Relic of Progenitus
1 Thornweald Archer

I'm planning of running 2 Ancient Grudge main...is this a bad idea?


that's why i don't like running Null Rods as the only draw engine i have is Clamp (well, i also run 2 Ohran Vipers main but this is mainly for Inky; but i'm planning also to use Thornweald Archer instead as the Viper is kinda mana intensive too)...

actaully i aslso thought on using Pithing Needle; thing is my creature count will drop. so is Viridian Zealot viable in a R/G Beats deck or is it not?

I think you are referring to Vithian Renegades; but it only destroys artifacts. I'm considering Zealot as it both destroys artifacts AND enchantments. i was thinking once it hit play, your opponent has to find ways of playing around it.