The island is a bit out of the way for people further north as you either have to go all the way around or shell an extra hundred to catch the ferry with your car.

I'm trying to learn Vintage, just to play in this event.

Jace is played as a 3 or 4 of in the popular format.  Tezz is played as a 1 of in Vintage, the format that has other such stellar cards as 1 dollar Lodestone Golems.  Vintage moves foil prices, and that's about it usually.

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I'm a big fan of these market reports, they help me get informed.  Keep up the great writing.

Ah, I misunderstood.  Question taken back, sorry for missing that XD.

For some reason I was thinking it was the turn after or something.  Ignore me, I'm sleepy.

I'm surprised you didn't just name Blue with Iona.

This article is great, I like it a lot.

I find the style great, I find the information VERY informative and I can't wait until the next one goes live.

Thanks a lot for writing, I find you by far the most informative source.

I agree, but it's mostly because it's unnecessary I imagine.  Will a combo deck featuring this be any stronger/faster? Likely not.  That being said, I like how the OP thinks, though I think this one is a bust.

A large part of how Workshop works is that it has several draws that end the game early even if the game takes many turns.  Multiple Spheres, Trinispheres, Stax, etc.  I'm concerned you don't have enough disruption.

If you're fighting combo do you leave in Chalice and cut something else?

Two questions for you, if you're not busy!

If against Shops you play your 2 Pithing Needle and 1 Serenity instead of 4 Unmask, what do you leave in?

How do you feel about Maindeck Chalice?  It had recently been implied to me that Combo was less common than some other decks.

While I understand the use to beat Chalice at one, the same deck plays 13 spheres.  Do you feel making 2+ mana against that will be rough/impossible?

I expect to play a lot of Workshop and Fish when I eventually play, so I think I'll be taking this advice.  Any thoughts on what you'd change from Saturday?  I like your version because it lets me run all four of my pretty Japanese Unmask.

For comparison:

// Lands
    4  Bazaar of Baghdad
    4  City of Brass
    2  Gemstone Mine
    4  Undiscovered Paradise

// Creatures
    4  Bloodghast
    3  Fatestitcher
    1  Flame-Kin Zealot
    4  Golgari Grave-Troll
    2  Golgari Thug
    4  Narcomoeba
    3  Sharuum the Hegemon
    4  Stinkweed Imp
    2  Ichorid

// Spells
    2  Altar of Dementia
    1  Black Lotus
    4  Bridge from Below
    4  Cabal Therapy
    3  Dread Return
    1  Lion's Eye Diamond
    4  Serum Powder

// Sideboard
SB: 4  Chain of Vapor
SB: 4  Nature's Claim
SB: 3  Unmask
SB: 1  Ichorid
SB: 1  Serenity
SB: 2  Pithing Needle


I wouldn't mind one more Golgari Thug, and I like the Field maindeck, 2 lands to replace them in the sideboard when playing people who you don't need them for.  I don't know what I would cut though.

I too enjoyed this article, and would like to say you are the writer who impresses me most with your good explanations and work.

Further, rather than just post another me too in another thread, I also enjoyed the market report article and look forward to more of those as well.

I agree with this dude, what is Thirst even doing in Oath.

He is saying he runs Fatesticher, Field, Careful Study and Serum Powder.  I'm curious what else.

So you run 4 Studies, 8 colored lands (City, Paradise) and Fields in some number?  Do you have enough blue mana?  I'm considering what you suggest to see if it improves Fish and Workshop games.  I'm just concerned about blue sources.

Also, do you keep hands with a study and no bazaar?  It seems like no, so then you're studying on turn 2 instead of fatesticher (which is better if they waste your land) but not as strong as breakthrough would be in the same situation (assuming you ditched a dredger before your bazaar got owned).

I'm genuinely curious in your build if you're willing to share it in it's entire form, or even just some more explanation.

Edit:
Additionally, I see how this shores up Fish maybe as while they can counter it, it's not like a KO if they do.  But I think Fish isn't really a problem anyway generally speaking, as they have no way to just randomly kill you or lock out of the game.

It doesn't seem as strong against 13 sphere, when casting spells is not something you can do as much as you would like.

This makes enough sense that I'm going to try it out, particularly the last 3 sentences.  Impulse is better to draw that one card in your deck that saves your butt.  It's more like a tutor.  However if your hand is sort of whatever, you can See Beyond to increase the general quality of your cards.  I think my major problem with it is the one that's been brought up again and again, sorcery speed. 

I don't know if this is the place,  but here goes.

I'm interested in doing a Smmenen type experiment, and attempting to build several Dredge decks tuned to each deck I anticipate playing and then merging them together.

My expected decks to face would be something like:
MUD
Fish
Oath
Some Tezz
Some Dredge
Some small number of TPS/Tendrils Combo type things

If anyone has any suggestions on how a Dredge deck tuned to beat these decks should go (consider what hate is likely in that deck such as Tormod's Crypt and Relic in MUD but Leyline and Jailer or whatever in Tendrils) please post a decklist.

I agree with Neonico that MUD and Fish versions should probably be sitting on some Petrified Fields.  I'm curious what sort of builds people think are optimal for these matchups.

As an example this is what I mean:
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/vintage/18347_So_Many_Insane_Plays_A_Better_Look_At_Tezzeret.html

I used my RoE budget to order Polluted Deltas instead, and will be picking up commons by drafting or some similar method.  I see little exciting at rare.

The best stacks I could come up with are similar to what other people have here:

Tolarian Academy, Wasteland, Strip Mine, Bazaar of Baghdad

Something to that effect.  I am curious however what a stack like

Tolarian Academy, Dark Depths, Strip Mine, Tolaria West or a similar stack would go.  If they give you the two tolarias you go get something, maybe Lotus, heck maybe Dark Depths.  If they give you Depths, you Living Wish for a Hexmage and rock their life.  Or something.

I'm going to get this card, but I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet.

And no, I can't really demonstrate this card is better than Intuition.  We can't really until there are four lands that any two give you a lock, or there are four restricted lands that are crazy.

Part of the problem with this card is that when you Gifts, you get four cards, and then immediately cast two of them, sometimes involving Will for the other two.  With this card you get two Lands, of which you can only play once a turn, on your turn.  The card is inherently limiting itself in this way.  I see the appeal of this card with Crucible  but personally I keep picturing it with Fastbond.

101.4. If multiple players would make choices and/or take actions at the same time, the active player (the player whose turn it is) makes any choices required, then the next player in turn order (usually the player seated to the active player's left) makes any choices required, followed by the remaining nonactive players in turn order. Then the actions happen simultaneously. This rule is often referred to as the "Active Player, Nonactive Player (APNAP) order" rule.
Example: A card reads "Each player sacrifices a creature." First, the active player chooses a creature he or she controls. Then each of the nonactive players, in turn order, chooses a creature he or she controls. Then all creatures chosen this way are sacrificed simultaneously.

Cards are chosen in APNAP order, and then both come in to play at the same time.  They are not necessarily revealed before as long as the card is already chosen (example: is set on the table by itself, face down)

All is Dust is like 7 mana to destroy colored permanents in play.  Of which there are...usually none or maybe a couple Bobs.  If this card catches on as some sort of crazy vintage card, I will eat my hat.

Vengevine.  Slightly more interesting but...who casts creature spells.  Maybe Fish, maybe some G/R beats deck, but then it becomes less obvious how a pile of Vengevines get in to your graveyard.  I don't think this card is screaming for a Vintage spot either.

Ancient Stirrings seems good and I'm curious about Shared Discovery in EtW as are most people.  The only rares I even have down for this set are Preserver (who I don't think is good enough, but *shrug*) and Realms Uncharted, which I similarly think is not good enough for Vintage, but might have a place in some Extended deck involving Knight of the Reliquary and fetches or something.

What I tried to show in my other post is that.

A)  Field does not make blue the turn you play it.  If you play Field turn 2, it does not make blue until turn 3.  A turn in which had you played a blue source you would have won on or before. 
B)  See above, though getting Paradise isn't terrible with Field, but it doesn't get you blue that turn.
C)  You can get back Bazaar, and this is I think it's best use in a Wasteland heavy Meta.  I support Petrified Field being added if you are surrounded by Wastelands.

Also,
A) This play is not as good as just playing a blue source instead, using Sticher a turn earlier, and possibly comboing then.  It is not as effective as the Gemstone, Fatesticher play.

B) In order to use Petrified Field in this way, you need to have it in your hand.  After my opening hand, and possibly the draw from my first turn if I go second,  I tend not to actually draw cards.  Instead I dredge.  My point with Salvage in this scenario is, if you dredge 3 Petrified Fields, they don't do anything, and if it's not in your opening hand, or maybe your first bazaar activation, it's not going to make it in to your hand.  Salvage however can make it in to your hand off a draw step dredge, in the games that go long.

C)  Getting back Bazaar with Petrified Field and playing a second copy is not as effective as unearthing Fatesticher and untapping your first copy.  Firstly, you don't play the Bazaar that turn.  Secondly Sticher is a creature for sacing purposes.

I'm not saying don't play Petrified Field.  I'm saying play it as an answer to Wasteland.  If  you don't fight wastelands it's inferior in all of the circumstances mentioned to just an extra blue source for stichers.  Also, as I said before, versions that adapt to the meta and slow down, often act differently.

The mutual exclusivity of Petrified Field and Fatesticher, comes from the fact that there are two decks that have different functions with the same name.  Most Fatesticher builds are concerned with comboing/making zombies as quickly as possible whereas builds that involve Petrified Field often involve more consistent elements at the cost of sacrificed speed.  Also, it's worth noting that despite the fact that Petrified Field technically triggers Bloodghast twice, the earlier you play it the less relevant the first trigger is (little to no Bloodghasts in discard yet, you only hit a Bloodghast every 15 cards or so and even if you dredge two trolls on turn 2 that's 18 cards, 12 + 6 from bazaar) and the later you play it the less important Petrified Fields actual ability is.  Further, Petrified Field does little to nothing while actually in play.  It doesn't make blue for Fatesticher, it pays only to cast spells through Spheres.  While Spheres aren't exactly uncommon,  Gemstone Mine does this as well.  Granted it has an expiration date, but this is less relevant than it first appears.

To further expand on this idea however, I see how Petrified Field could be useful in a Wasteland heavy meta and in such a Meta, perhaps the more resilient slower version is the correct metagame call, the most recent deckcheck dredge decks are this slower variety I believe.  This I think is still more of a choice of deck than card choice.  You are not choosing to include Petrified Field in your Dredge deck.  You are picking the Dredge deck with Petrified Field rather than the Dredge deck without, because you feel it is a stronger metagame choice.  I don't know how to explain this point well, but I hope someone understands what I am trying to say.  The main point however is that I don't feel Petrified Field is a stronger card than Gemstone Mine in a vacuum, in the theory of Dredge, I think however that it pushes you in a somewhat different direction, which basically gives you a different deck that has 70 cards in common.  This is misleading however.  That being said, I haven't run in to that many wastelands, so I'm not using them. 

And to defend Dakmor Salvage, it's no crazy bomb, but it has won me more than one game that required me to go to turn three.  If you dredge a Petrified Field, it's useless, if you dredge a Salvage and need a landfall, you can get it on turn 3, reanimate a couple bloodghasts (at this point you've seen 30+ cards) and combo a turn late, but still in good time.  Again, it's not like it's the nuts, but it gives me the landfall I sometimes need, and defends it's 1 of slot pretty well.  I don't think I would play more, but I don't think it should be cut either.

I agree on the Petrified Field, it drives me nuts and I hate it.  I like the addition of Sage.  I also am comfortable moving the Claims out of the maindeck.  I was a little nervous to not have any answer to main deck Leyline other than pray they don't draw it.  However, I like Terastodon so far, and enjoy bringing in to play.  I'm still not sure how much better I think he is than something like Primus, but in a couple games today I brought him in to play, destroyed my opponent's mana-base and killed my opponent the following turn.  I added in all of your suggestions but cut

-2 Claim
-1 Petrified Field
-1 Golgari Thug

And I'll test that tonight.

That being said, I've started to look in to Alters/Sharuum.  Is this type of kill still popular and considered effective?  Some of the posts in this thread are a little old, and I'm not sure how things have changed if at all.

Also, I see Ichorid is absent from some lists, but I like his 2 of in my deck.

Edit: Sage won me a game today, digging in to a fatesticher.  

Board plan lately:
-3 Fatesticher
-2 Dread Return
-1 Cephalid Sage
-1 Flame-kin Zealot

+4 Chain of Vapor
+3 Nature's Claim

Won through double t0 Leyline in a game, in order to win a match against TPS.  

Current List

Creatures (26)
4x Bloodghast
2x Ichorid
4x Narcomoeba
4x Stinkweed Imp
2x Golgari Thug
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
3x Fatesticher
1x Flamekin Zealot
1x Terastodon
1x Cephalid Sage

Enchantments (8)
4x Bridge from Below
4x Leyline of the Void

Artifacts (4)
4x Serum Powder

Sorcery (7)
4x Cabal Therapy
3x Dread Return

Land (15)
4x Bazaar of Baghdada
4x Undiscovered Paradise
4x City of Brass
2x Gemstone Mine
1x Dakmor Salvage

Sideboard (15)
4x Chain of Vapor
4x Unmask
3x Darkblast
4x Nature's Claim

Posted this in another thread, was directed here.  I'm new to this whole scene so I don't know how much practical knowledge I can add, but I can guess and do some theoretical stuff!

Anywhere, here's the list I've started playing:

Creatures (26)
4x Bloodghast
2x Ichorid
4x Narcomoeba
4x Stinkweed Imp
3x Golgari Thug
4x Golgari Grave-Troll
3x Fatesticher
1x Flamekin Zealot
1x Terastodon
Enchantments (8)
4x Bridge from Below
4x Leyline of the Void
Artifacts (4)
4x Serum Powder
Sorcery (6)
4x Cabal Therapy
2x Dread Return
Instant (2)
2x Nature's Claim
Land (14)
4x Bazaar of Baghdada
4x Undiscovered Paradise
4x City of Brass
1x Petrified Field
1x Dakmor Salvage

Sideboard (15)
4x Chain of Vapor
4x Unmask
3x Darkblast
2x Gemstone Mine
2x Nature's Claim

Let me know what you think.  I will report anything I learn about this version, though I will probably not learn anything you don't already know >_>

Hey, getting in to Vintage, and building Dredge (yeah, yeah, it pilots itself and is for noobs etc)

Looking for some advice on a list that's something like

Creatures (25)
4x Bloodghast
2x Ichorid
4x Golgari Grave Troll
1x Golgari Thug
4x Stinkweed Imp
1x Flame-kin Zealot
1x Terastodon
4x Narcomeoba
4x Fatesticher

Enchantments (8)
4x Bridge from Below
4x Leyline of the Void

Artifacts (4)
4x Serum Powder

Instants (3)
1x Darkblast
2x Nature's Claim

Sorcery (6)
4x Cabal Therapy
2x Dread Return

Land (14)
4x Undiscovered Paradise
4x City of Brass
4x Bazaar of Baghdad
1x Petrified Field
1x Dakmor Salvage

Sideboard (15)
4x Chain of Vapor
2x Gemstone Mine
2x Darkblast
2x Nature's Claim
2x Ravenous Trap
3x Unmask

Everything should be pretty self explanatory, it's not like I'm inventing the wheel or anything.  I took the basis from this deckcheck:

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=33951

Added the Salvage for the land drop you sometimes need for Bloodghast, Terastadon, the Ichorids.  I haven't changed the sideboard yet, but I'm considering adding Spell Pierce to counter Ravenous Traps and other annoyances. Please give me any pro tips that you guys might have!