GenCon Indy 2010 Results Thread

[Tha Gunslinga]

He's 4-0 matches, 8-0 games. Persecutors, Mindcensors, Cabal Therapies, and Bitter Ordeal. He claims he made the deck this morning.

Typical Conley Woods. Sounds like an interesting deck, though I really don't get this recent obsession with Bitter Ordeal.

Soly beat Conley in round 7.

[Nefarias]

9 Robert Vroman

What a dicking....I hate missing on tiebreakers

He ID'ed in the last round too

[conboy31]

Any idea of the number of participants? 

114

117 ended up being the final number.

[XtremeGamesOnline]

Congrats Owen!!!

[zuzy]

Hallo,

According to the announcements, the tournament was Yesterday. But I am not able to find any results, coverage or standings.

Are there any on web or the Vintage has no cevarage at all?

Regards
ZUZY

[swooop]

GGSlive streamed matches from each round plus top 8 i think they get posted to youtube so you might check there for more info, WOTC homepage writer nate price took the lists for a full writeup.

[zuzy]

GGSlive streamed matches from each round plus top 8 i think they get posted to youtube so you might check there for more info, WOTC homepage writer nate price took the lists for a full writeup.

Can you please post me some link to the GGS live? I was looking for it, but didnt find anything. There is nothing on YouTube also.

Regards
ZUZY

[swooop]

ggslive has video coverage going on right now:

http://www.ggslive.com/show_ggslive.html

Legacy for todays live stream

[Ten-Ten]

Kuddos, Owen!
Congrats Vroman, Soly!!
Missed the whole thing, even the coverage what was Jesse's and Bob Maher's deck? anybody know? I figured Jesse would play ANT or TPS.

[Skadrian]

the wizards coverage here gives the decks of the finals, the final was a 75card mirror.

[Troy_Costisick]

Here's Owen's (and Bob's) Decklist:

Main Deck

60 cards
 
1  Flooded Strand
1  Forest
1  Island
4  Misty Rainforest
1  Polluted Delta
1  Scalding Tarn
1  Tolarian Academy
2  Tropical Island
3  Underground Sea
1  Volcanic Island

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16 lands


4  Dark Confidant
1  Inkwell Leviathan
3  Trygon Predator
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8 creatures

1  Ancestral Recall
1  Black Lotus
1  Brainstorm
1  Demonic Tutor
4  Force of Will
3  Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1  Mana Crypt
2  Mana Drain
1  Merchant Scroll
1  Mox Emerald
1  Mox Jet
1  Mox Pearl
1  Mox Ruby
1  Mox Sapphire
1  Nature's Claim
1  Sensei's Divining Top
1  Sol Ring
4  Spell Pierce
3  Thoughtseize
1  Time Vault
1  Time Walk
1  Tinker
1  Vampiric Tutor
1  Voltaic Key
1  Yawgmoth's Will

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36 other spells


Sideboard

4  Leyline of the Void
3  Nature's Claim
1  Pithing Needle
1  Pyroblast
2  Red Elemental Blast
2  Sower of Temptation
2  Yixlid Jailer


Interesting notes that I take from just an initial glance:

-No Tezzeret
-3 Jaces
-Only 2 Mana Drains
-4 Spell Pierce
-12 creatures total including the sideboard

So it looks like Jace is supplanting Tezzeret as the main blue Planeswalker, and Spell Pierce is supplanting Mana Drain as the #2 counterspell in so-called "Drain" decks.  What do you guys think?

[AmbivalentDuck]

Spell Pierce is supplanting Mana Drain as the #2 counterspell in so-called "Drain" decks.  What do you guys think?

Vintage is now a race to resolve the restricted list before the opponent does something similarly devastating.  Since there's terrible attrition due to opposing counterspells and necessary "dead" draws (like lands beyond your first 3-4), cards like Jace and Bob help you to actually spend all of the mana the restricted list can provide each turn.

[vassago]

and Spell Pierce is supplanting Mana Drain as the #2 counterspell in so-called "Drain" decks.  What do you guys think?

Personally, I think Spell Pierce is obviously better than Mana Drain. I actually haven't played a mana drain in quite some time, but that's not the point.  I get laughed at when I call it blue duress, but you just play it on their turn instead of yours, lol.

[Therubecube]

Anyone have access to the Conley Woods list? I was curious.

[Troy_Costisick]

Rich Shay is 11th right now in Legacy Champs.  I don't know if he'll make it in.  He's had a good day tho.

[Troy_Costisick]

Goblins beat Belcher in Legacy finals.  What are the odds? LOL

[AmbivalentDuck]

With Thoughtseizes and Mindbreak Trap?  I can't think of anything more dependent on its opening hand than Belcher.

[BC]

The Goblins deck did not have Thoughtseize.  The final match was quite good.  Game 1 Hazard (Belcher) won on turn 1 on the play.  Game 2 he went all in for a Belcher, which got Mindbreak Trapped for the loss.  Game 3 he again went all in with Belcher, staring down lethal damage.  Mindbreak Trap again, but he forced it through with Gut Response.  He activates Belcher with LED, flips 4 cards and then his only land.  Tournament over.  I was hoping that Hazard would win, but it was a ridiculously awesome ending.

[chrispikula]

-No Tezzeret
-3 Jaces
-Only 2 Mana Drains
-4 Spell Pierce
-12 creatures total including the sideboard

So it looks like Jace is supplanting Tezzeret as the main blue Planeswalker, and Spell Pierce is supplanting Mana Drain as the #2 counterspell in so-called "Drain" decks.  What do you guys think?

4 Spell Pierce and 2 Mana Drain isn't exactly news at this point. That is actually a pretty standard configuration at this point. I'd say the most interesting part of their deck is they chose to go without Mystical Tutor, Ponder, and Gifts Ungiven and play no bounce spells at all. 

[Juggernaut GO]

I just hope everyone copies their list for waterbury, because that pretty much guarantees me going undefeated.

[Meddling Mike]

-No Tezzeret
-3 Jaces
-Only 2 Mana Drains
-4 Spell Pierce
-12 creatures total including the sideboard

So it looks like Jace is supplanting Tezzeret as the main blue Planeswalker, and Spell Pierce is supplanting Mana Drain as the #2 counterspell in so-called "Drain" decks.  What do you guys think?

4 Spell Pierce and 2 Mana Drain isn't exactly news at this point. That is actually a pretty standard configuration at this point. I'd say the most interesting part of their deck is they chose to go without Mystical Tutor, Ponder, and Gifts Ungiven and play no bounce spells at all. 

And no TFK either...

[AmbivalentDuck]

I know I'll take flack for saying this, but that's probably the best Fish deck ever built.

It barely tutors to assemble its combo.  Instead, it just draws cards and disrupts the opponent's strategy winning after its disruption engine turns sideways enough times.  I'm going to call it (perhaps prematurely): Noble Fish is dead and this thing has taken its place.

[Rico Suave]

I know I'll take flack for saying this, but that's probably the best Fish deck ever built.

It barely tutors to assemble its combo.  Instead, it just draws cards and disrupts the opponent's strategy winning after its disruption engine turns sideways enough times.  I'm going to call it (perhaps prematurely): Noble Fish is dead and this thing has taken its place.

And the best Fish deck before this one was Keeper with Morphling and Gorilla Shaman, no? 

[AmbivalentDuck]

Keeper pre-'Tog was hardly creature-based control.  Arguably, it was an artifact/enchantment toolbox with strong drawing, fast mana, and blue countermagic allowing it to address most circumstances of the day.  This recent deck is different.  Dark Confidant and Jace are basically equivalent to heavily upgraded Ophidians.  Trygon is similarly a control piece that has to turn sideways to work.  I think that both the creature focus and lack of tutoring (cutting Mystical and Gifts!) show us the lack of toolbox focus in favor of heavy draw and disruption.

[Rico Suave]

But what you are describing is a tried and true control deck, not an aggro-control deck like Fish. 

[M.Solymossy]

I know I'll take flack for saying this, but that's probably the best Fish deck ever built.

It barely tutors to assemble its combo.  Instead, it just draws cards and disrupts the opponent's strategy winning after its disruption engine turns sideways enough times.  I'm going to call it (perhaps prematurely): Noble Fish is dead and this thing has taken its place.

I agree with Duck on this one.   Owen and Bob actually played David Williams' list, for the record:  And it was a really good fish deck.   I rarely if EVER saw Owen resolve Key-vault.  He never just mized it, he always had it when the game was already over.   I actually saw him beating his oponents down with creatures and planeswalkers 99% of the time. 

[policehq]

Right, so you just take the Ophidians out of current Fish lists and replace them with Jace?



Congrats to all. Were the Forinos playing Espresso Stax?

[Therubecube]

Right, so you just take the Ophidians out of current Fish lists and replace them with Jace?



Congrats to all. Were the Forinos playing Espresso Stax?

Yeah they were and serum powder is nuts good.

[Suicideking]

I know I'll take flack for saying this, but that's probably the best Fish deck ever built.

It barely tutors to assemble its combo.  Instead, it just draws cards and disrupts the opponent's strategy winning after its disruption engine turns sideways enough times.  I'm going to call it (perhaps prematurely): Noble Fish is dead and this thing has taken its place.

I agree with Duck on this one.   Owen and Bob actually played David Williams' list, for the record:  And it was a really good fish deck.   I rarely if EVER saw Owen resolve Key-vault.  He never just mized it, he always had it when the game was already over.   I actually saw him beating his oponents down with creatures and planeswalkers 99% of the time. 

Owen actually just copied ochoa's list from an article and added a jace.

[dwpoker]

Actually Owen and I discussed playing Ocho'as list and I told him I wanted another Jace, and we agreed that Tez wasn't good anymore so we made that swap. Then we decided we wanted a nature's claim main deck and cut Thirst for Knowledge (I think, maybe something else, can't remember right now) and added one Nature's Claim to the main. Then I told him I wanted to play Pyroblast in the sideboard because I felt we needed a way to beat other people's Jace, because I felt it was going to be a very important card for the weekend. Owen said it sounded good so I put in one Volcanic and I brewed up a sideboard. I told Owen and me him and Bob played the exact same 75.

So I wouldn't call it my list at all. It was Ochoa's list and I made a few small tweaks to attack what I felt we would see, but that is what you should always do with any deck before a new event. Congrats to Owen and Bob.

DW