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« Reply #90 on: November 24, 2015, 11:29:41 am »

Good luck Nick. You bring "vintage" to the vintage super league
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« Reply #91 on: November 24, 2015, 04:26:30 pm »


Reid duke should get an auto invite.



... and Olle Rade shouldn't? He won the first invitational, and the only one decided by Type 1. He beat a cheater and villain to win. He has innovated in every format he has tackled. I dont always barn on Magic players, but I am rooting for Olle.
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« Reply #92 on: November 24, 2015, 10:09:49 pm »

fabiano is messing it up. Why is he even in qualifier?

Reid did awesome on commentary.  

WIsh brassman was in qualifier.

I like nick's workshop list much better then ochoas. 8 sphere seems like a must vs all the mentor/pyromancer decks and metalworker seems lackluster.

Shame we didnt get to see sams deck in action.
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« Reply #93 on: November 24, 2015, 11:58:28 pm »

Roland should have consulted for Misstep vs DWills Brainstorm.
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« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2015, 12:04:47 am »

Roland should have consulted for Misstep vs DWills Brainstorm.

Or consulted for pretty much anything at any point during the game...
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« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2015, 12:32:45 am »

Roland should have consulted for Misstep vs DWills Brainstorm.

Or consulted for pretty much anything at any point during the game...

he was rewarded with a win Wink i wonder how quickly dwill realized he needed to crack LED after he clicked to draw with bargain ... had to be a microsecond
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« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2015, 08:52:03 am »

Good luck Nick. You bring "vintage" to the vintage super league

Only because I'm getting to be a little too vintage myself.

Thanks, Shawn.

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« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2015, 10:52:36 am »

LOL, thanks for the late evening entertainment. I enjoyed you attempting to drum up some dialog about your one sided match with SB. It's like trying to make small talk after somebody rear ends you and you are waiting for the cops.
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« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2015, 08:40:36 pm »

The videos have all been posted. Fyi.
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« Reply #99 on: November 26, 2015, 05:48:10 am »

I f***ing love VSL. Time to watch the videos!
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« Reply #100 on: November 30, 2015, 06:20:30 pm »

fabiano is messing it up. Why is he even in qualifier?

Reid did awesome on commentary.  

WIsh brassman was in qualifier.

I like nick's workshop list much better then ochoas. 8 sphere seems like a must vs all the mentor/pyromancer decks and metalworker seems lackluster.

Shame we didnt get to see sams deck in action.

Fun fact: I thought the list I submitted did have 8.

No wonder there was so much room for everything else. Although I disagree about Metalworker.
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« Reply #101 on: November 30, 2015, 08:25:33 pm »

fabiano is messing it up. Why is he even in qualifier?

Reid did awesome on commentary.  

WIsh brassman was in qualifier.

I like nick's workshop list much better then ochoas. 8 sphere seems like a must vs all the mentor/pyromancer decks and metalworker seems lackluster.

Shame we didnt get to see sams deck in action.

Fun fact: I thought the list I submitted did have 8.

No wonder there was so much room for everything else. Although I disagree about Metalworker.

What would you cut in order to have both metalworkers and 8sphere?
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« Reply #102 on: November 30, 2015, 09:45:31 pm »

Probably Lotus and/or lands
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« Reply #103 on: December 02, 2015, 09:00:52 am »

Very sad to see both Roland and Dave Williams go.  Dave's commentary is absolutely excellent, and I hope that they find a way to at least keep him on for that. 
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« Reply #104 on: December 02, 2015, 10:48:43 am »

Indeed. The last match was crazy! I really hope that one or both players do a postmortem discussing their thoughts and decisions.

I want to call out David Ochoa for turning in a top-notch performance yesterday; I thought his games were nearly tactically flawless.
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« Reply #105 on: December 08, 2015, 06:13:25 am »

David Williams gave his game 3 away, first, when he cast vampiric eot early, and the second time the turn after he untapped with necro, I think.

He had 8 mana available for the turn. He could have cast dark petition into tendrils for 12ish and cabal therapy the jace, vryn's prodigy to protect his timetwister from flashback therapy should Olle draw a land. Like that, he could regain his necro-potency and he could cast twister to shuffle the tendrils back in, as well as olle being on 2 or so.

Afterwards, he drew into mana, and then more mana for 100 turns. That's bad luck. Had he played right, he would have needed much less luck.

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« Reply #106 on: December 09, 2015, 04:42:10 am »

David played superbly.  That felt like a masterclass.
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« Reply #107 on: December 09, 2015, 05:01:16 am »

Not caught up on the matches yet, but I was glad to see Kai point out to Randy in the pre-game, that a combo winter in a restricted-Chalice Vintage might not be good for the format. Of course, we're not there yet, but the exchange did make me worry that the restriction was made due to one particularly vocal complainer rather than tournament data...

Kai can be a bit of a curmudgeon in the VSL sometimes - but it was an important point to raise.

Edit: Commiserations to Nick - well done on flying the Vintage flag so well. But David played sensationally throughout the whole tournament and was a worthy winner. Look forward to the regular season now!
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« Reply #108 on: December 09, 2015, 09:13:22 am »

David Ochoa just played brilliantly. That was a demonstration.
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« Reply #109 on: December 09, 2015, 09:46:23 pm »

It didnt help Nick that Ochoa had Jittes and Nick had suboptimal cards post-board such as Sphere of Resistance and Porcelain Legionnaire.  Ochoa took a gamble on his sideboard plans and it paid off.  There were two games in particular where I thought Nick could potentionally have it, but Ochoa made the right blocks. 
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« Reply #110 on: December 09, 2015, 10:20:58 pm »

I hope Nick writes a report of his thought process.
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« Reply #111 on: December 09, 2015, 11:43:28 pm »

I hope Nick writes a report of his thought process.

Leaning towards a lengthy report, from start to finish with the whole process.

I will readily say that Jitte put me on tilt in game two.  I didn't play Standard when that card was good, and I only had (very limited) experience with it in draft.  I played horrifically with that Jitte in play.

I am happy that if I had to lose, it was to someone like Ochoa.  I like that he was a Vintage pilot first, I like that he has been on TMD forever, I like his low-key, laid back demeanor.  He's a good guy.

I had it brought to my attention that I punted my game three in match two against him.  I believe it, and I own that, but man, was that a grueling six games.  Playing elite level Magic after midnight is not easy.  He out-played me over the course of the six games, and he earned it.  

Writing the report will involve watching all the videos over again, and that's tough.  I'm not ready for that yet.  This morning I felt the same way that I felt the morning after game seven of the 2004 ALCS.  It was not easy.
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« Reply #112 on: December 10, 2015, 05:07:44 am »

I hope Nick writes a report of his thought process.

Leaning towards a lengthy report, from start to finish with the whole process.


That would be amazeballs.  Liberal usage of Shakespeare quotes would be a bonus.  I also appreciate the baseball analogy. 
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« Reply #113 on: December 10, 2015, 09:31:34 am »

People like Nick make me feel myself sometimes a horrible magic player. Even less than that. I look at your passion, your "professionalism", your search of perfection and compare it against my lack of effort and I feel myself ashamed.

Of course it's not you who has to change, but me. People here motivate me to try harder, to respect the game. Winning is great, but play to win is even better.

Maybe I should write an article with vintage mistakes, that way I could learn something and share it with the community.
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« Reply #114 on: December 10, 2015, 09:47:17 am »

People like Nick make me feel myself sometimes a horrible magic player. Even less than that. I look at your passion, your "professionalism", your search of perfection and compare it against my lack of effort and I feel myself ashamed.

Of course it's not you who has to change, but me. People here motivate me to try harder, to respect the game. Winning is great, but play to win is even better.

Maybe I should write an article with vintage mistakes, that way I could learn something and share it with the community.

Please don't let me impact you that way. 

There's an incredible Vince Lombardi quote that Forino has etched into my mind:

"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

I have a lot of work to do, and the VSL play-in tournament showed me where I needed to do my work.  I mulligan aggressively, as I think everyone has now seen, and my mistakes weren't in my mulligans, but in card interactions that I had not spent enough time with. 

We all make mistakes, and I promise that I made several throughout that event (though nothing major until it mattered most).  An article on mistakes would be excellent.  We all make boneheaded plays; learning from those plays is what matters most.
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« Reply #115 on: December 10, 2015, 11:23:14 am »


Please don't let me impact you that way. 

There's an incredible Vince Lombardi quote that Forino has etched into my mind:

"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence."

I have a lot of work to do, and the VSL play-in tournament showed me where I needed to do my work.  I mulligan aggressively, as I think everyone has now seen, and my mistakes weren't in my mulligans, but in card interactions that I had not spent enough time with. 

We all make mistakes, and I promise that I made several throughout that event (though nothing major until it mattered most).  An article on mistakes would be excellent.  We all make boneheaded plays; learning from those plays is what matters most.

Well said. You had a great run and I think you should be really proud of that. I would love to see you take down the next play-in tournament, whenever that is.
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« Reply #116 on: December 10, 2015, 03:57:46 pm »

Loved the last match. Anyone who claims shops aren't skill intensive ought to be shown that video, and then they will shut up forever. Brilliant.
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« Reply #117 on: December 12, 2015, 08:49:50 pm »

I am currently twelve pages into the report, and I now realize that this may need to be broken down into multiple articles, and not just one.

I should be done with it before the end of the night.

Edit: Twenty pages deep and I haven't done the intro yet, or added the personal touches that I like to with my articles.  Should have it done tomorrow.  Then it'll be time to shop it around and see if anyone wants it.  May reach out to SCG.
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« Reply #118 on: December 13, 2015, 01:33:03 am »

I'm really looking forward to this, Nick!
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« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2015, 09:25:39 am »

Rich your commentary was HILARIOUS last night.  "By not saying anything we are fully describing Kai's board" + "He has played around Tangle wire expertly" = My wife asking "what the hell are you giggling at?"



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